American Eagle and Black Hare on superhero politics __________________
Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted: 11 Nov 2008 01:56 Last Edited By: Steve Rogers
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Real funny. i like the designs of the characters, and the dialogue is pretty good too. __________________
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Posted: 11 Nov 2008 13:15
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I did post about this in the other thread but it bears repeating. I don't want to discourage your writing but I ask please, just let that character sell for you on and for your hero site instead of strips or extolling political advice of any sort. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 11 Nov 2008 16:13
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Thanks guys for commenting. Glad you liked it Steve.
Pak, I wasn't giving political advice.
See the Black Hare is kind of a parody of Batman. You know how Batman hates guns. American Eagle is like Captain America taking a non-political stance believing superheroes shouldn't push their views on the American public. In the end it's just about the joke. Not the funniest joke in the whole world but it's just a start.
I don't know maybe people are so stressed out about politics these days I should try to not even take the appearance of politics. I hate to make politically correct characters though. I want to have a slight edge to them.
Till all the toys merchandise and stuff starts going. __________________
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You need to create a super villain now. He can be like an owl or something. __________________
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How about the Smoker, a play on the Joker? __________________
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Quote: I should try to not even take the appearance of politics.
Completely agree. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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That one was OK. __________________
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So so far I got the Incredible Hog, the Black Hare, American Eagle, and the villain the Smoker. Oh and I got an alien with no name. __________________
Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted: 12 Nov 2008 02:43 Last Edited By: Steve Rogers
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Hadn't seen the Hog yet.
I stil like the owl idea. But maybe its too similar to the eagle. How 'bout a wolf or a coyote as a villain. Or possibly a hero. __________________
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Here's one I did last week or so with the Hog.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2008 02:20 Last Edited By: Steve Rogers
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A lot like the Hulk but dumber, right? Have you thought about creating an archenemy for him, like a rip off of the Abombination? Or you could use your Smoker guy as the equivalent to the Leader. Just trying to help with suggestions. __________________
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I owe you a little apology Tim. I had assumed you had followed my suggestion of creating a mascot for the hero site, and didn't account for any other pursuits you might have had in mind. I had no business telling you what to do creatively with your own creation-my suggestion was merely for the business aspect really.
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Now for the brutal honesty time since you want feedback.
You are absolutely making political statements-all or nothing is the only way to go.
If you want to be 'edgy' for lack of a better word, that dialog needs serious work. They talk so much and say so little in some cases. It's pretty bad man. For the heck of it, imagine exactly what some famous person, real or fictional, would say and just print that. Not Tim's words, but maybe when the Hog speaks(if he's not too stupid to do this) he could sound exactly like Schwarzenegger. If Dark Hare speaks, think of what the Tick would say since there's such a resemblence to begin with. Just for fun, AE should sound a little like Dudley Do Right.
Try to create a conversation between the Tick, Dudley Do Right, and Schwarzenegger. Hear those voices while you're writing down their conversation. Substitute whoever you like with a distinctive voice or way of speaking. Try it. You should see a huge difference.
I'm also going to post a few vids for inspiration from one of my subscriptions. He basically broke down the political views of different people into the camps of Professor X, Magneto and Apocalypse. You might find them a bit liberal for your normal viewing tastes, but I do hope you find the inspiration in them. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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X-Men liberals by dechha1981
I was going to post his Apocalypse liberals vids but it's more him responding to other YouTubers than what might be helpful to you. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Tim, on another very loosely connected subject, I came across this in a business magazine's classified section and immediately thought of you sir. this somehow seemed the place to post it.
I don't know good or bad here. Judge for yourself.
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Quote: Try to create a conversation between the Tick, Dudley Do Right, and Schwarzenegger.
Well I got the Hog breathe gag from a Looney tunes cartoon. A big dumb cat was smacked around by a parrot. I took the words from there.
Quote: You are absolutely making political statements-all or nothing is the only way to go.
I don't know I think I want to inject political events or happenings into an occasional story, but not be pushy about my beliefs. Like sci-fi in general can make a comment on politics, but not really offend anyone because instead of a real group it's aliens from outerspace or something. That kind of thing. My gun one it wasn't saying guns are good or bad. Nobody has the perspective of a rabbit. Well there might be some really liberal people that might. __________________
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Quote: You are absolutely making political statements-all or nothing is the only way to go.
i just read them all over again and I didn't see any, unless you are trying to say that the Smoker is a political statement--like Tim is taking a no-smoking stance or something. But with the others I see just comic stuff. The one with the rabbit holding up the No Guns sign couldn't be called political either. Are you saying it is because you think the intention was to show that gun control activists are idiots? If that's right, then Pak you need to lighten up a little. __________________
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You know I got inspiration from the Smoker based on how tech support made me want to smoke. The rabbit drives the smoker crazy, so he smokes. That's the way I felt when I did tech support for a living. The customers drove me so crazy I had to have a cigarette after some of those calls. __________________
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Quote: i just read them all over again and I didn't see any,
The protester is a 'dumb bunny' for one.
The lead character is an 'American Eagle'.
The Smoker blames the dumb bunny for not getting his rebate check.
You really missed that?
How about the name of the thread -superhero politics-? Did that escape your notice too? __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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You read a lot more into it than I meant to be there. It's a funny animal superhero parody. There's no stand on any issue here. The funny thing is from an impartial position I bet somebody might easily laugh at us all.
Did you read this older one I did?
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Communist and hippy aren't political to you either?
Whatever. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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It's funny dude, it's politically incorrect. It's not like the bunny didn't get his attacks in. It wouldn't be funny if the rabbit walked up to the eagle and said have a nice day. Come on where's your sense of humor.
You know where I kind of got the Eagle's attitude from. Remember the old eagle from the Muppet show? He was like intense and the rest of the gang were a bunch of goofballs. I just gave him stuff to say I thought was funny. __________________
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It's your creation Tim and you don't have to justify a thing. I actually want you to start making money off it-just please work on that dialog some. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Thank you. You know I thought about it, and you know if you pressed the issue hard enough almost everything in life could be considered political.
Superheroes fight crime. Crime is political.
Superman is an illegal alien, or is he? That's definitely political.
Dirty Harry - excessive force or justified force?
Food leads to welfare.
Money leads to everything political.
It goes on and on. Anything that pops into your head probably has some political connotation. __________________
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Quote: The lead character is an 'American Eagle'.
So what? So cartoonists that want to keep away from politics should avoid using the symbol of their country?! Well the reason to keep away from politics is to avoid angering people, stirring up conflict, or giving political advice, right? The eagle represents American patriotism. No one should be offended by this.
Quote: How about the name of the thread -superhero politics-? Did that escape your notice too?
I think that name was just for the first strip, the one about the guns. It involved politics, but was not offensive at all. Except maybe to rabbits, but they can't read so who cares. __________________
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Real funny. i like the designs of the characters, and the dialogue is pretty good too.
