But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 27 Nov 2008 18:59
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This guy should remember the dems had a heck of a lot to do with the bad economy along with Bush. I wish people would stop giving the dems a free ride on the blame game. __________________
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Honestly, I blame going off the gold standard and the creation of the Federal Reserve for all of this. The deregulation and games played by both Dems and the GOP just helped bring this along to much worse consequence. I think Cenk is well aware of these things as well- I could be wrong. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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I'm thinking there are a number of things. Excessive government spending hurt the dollars buying power. Forcing loan companies to relax loan standards to put people into houses another. Add to that the high gas prices we had a while back at the worst possible time, and we had the perfect storm. __________________
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Rediculous excesses have been the mainstay of our government for decades now and yes, definitely play a big part. I still think gas prices are just a reflection of all our other economic/political woes though. As for the the loan companies, the government had 'good intentions' once again about getting people into affordable housing and didn't have to twist any broker's arm into putting people into homes they couldn't afford. Some companies mercilessly and carelessly let uninformed shoppers make those purchases blindly while a good portion of the blame belongs to the buyers themselves. They got greedy with late night commercial programs about no money down real estate flipping and didn't treat it as a business or as the serious transactions they are- they gambled against the house and lost. Here's the really sad part though.
The perfect storm hasn't hit yet.
When the mass bulk of baby boomers retire, if medicare and social security go bankrupt(which, if we stay the course, they certainly will), -that- will be the perfect storm. Our economy will absolutely be destroyed-top to bottom, absolutely no-one will be safe from it. I can't help but wonder if that wouldn't be for the best though. We'd have to start over, from the ground up, hopefully wiser this time. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Well if even you and me can agree that the government spends and wastes too much then surely the big wigs in congress ought to know it too. I think they just don't care. Like it ain't their money. __________________
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Well, it ain't 'their' money, for better or worse. I can't even say that they just don't care. Everything is just far far too complicated when it comes to politics these days. Nothing is ever simply black and white, right or wrong anymore, because of the game it's become. If they want to do something positive, somebody pays for it, creating a negative. They relieve a tax burden or end a program to cut down spending and give folks some financial relief, then people who depend on those programs now go without. Throw in riders and amendments and 'pork' and filibusters and special interests and simply changing times and we are where we are, as if we deserve it.
We still can salvage ourselves, somehow. I know it. I just don't know how. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Not if politicians can get people hooked on social programs and then basically buy those peoples votes. The more they spend the more votes they get. The more they spend. I bet the auto industry has bought a lot of votes. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the money they might get in a bailout makes a full circle. __________________
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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In other words the auto companies get billions on a bailout and then use some of that money to give back to politicians for favors in the future. It's a big circle. __________________
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The public is too much into their business to do things this way anymore though. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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I wouldn't say that. Big companies give money to politicians all the time, and they ain't doing it because they are such nice guys. __________________
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Quote: Big companies give money to politicians all the time
Don't think so. Check your sources. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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What are you kidding me? You've never heard of big companies padding pockets of politicians, contributing to campaigns etc? __________________
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Yes, back in the 'good old days'. Now all contributuions are made public and companies are prohibited from this.
Basically, they can contribute to a pac but not directly to a politician, which is strictly forbidden.
It's not like in that movie 'Shawshank Redemption'(for one example) where the contractor delivers the pie with the envelope under the tin to the warden. Things don't work that way anymore. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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They've got ways. __________________
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As far as just handing off money to a politician for a bribe, no they don't have 'ways'.
There are, however, things greater than the almost worthless paper we call money for getting what you want from a politician or anyone else. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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What are you saying they get free prostitutes, cars, houses, tickets to a football game? __________________
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Blackmail, coercion and 'gifts' come to mind, yes. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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I wouldn't buckle even if I was offered Action Comics # 1 __________________
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You're off to a good start as a politician right there;
you're absolutely full of shit.
If you want to actually be a politician though you'll have to be quite less transparently false. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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So what would it take to buy your vote? __________________
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Probably the coercion part. To get what I want done I'd have to 'play along' somewhere else. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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I think I'd rather not get anything done if I had to compromise my beliefs. It would depend on how big a compromise it was. You have to expect to compromise here and there, which is fine if it doesn't amount to more harm than good. __________________
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Government don't work that way now, if it ever really did in the first place. Give and take is a constant for each and every decision. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
