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| Posted: 18 Sep 2007 19:14 |
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Check out the blog of karate man Chuck Norris.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57666
Chuck is on my side when it comes to this nation being founded on Christian principles. In the article he discusses that and the problems the crusades caused Americans with relations to Muslim nations.
Excerpt from Chuck's blog.
Patrick Henry wrote to Archibald Blair Jan. 8, 1799,"The greatest pillars of all government and of social life: I mean virtue, morality and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible."
Charles Carroll, a signer of the Constitution, wrote to James McHenry Nov. 4, 1800, "Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion whose morality is so sublime and pure. … are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."
John Quincy Adams, America's sixth president, spoke at an Independence Day celebration in 1837, "Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the corner stone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity…?
Andrew Jackson, our seventh president, pointed to a Bible as he lay sick near death in 1845 and said, "That book, sir, is the rock on which our republic rests."
How much clearer can it be? There are no contradictions between the preceding leadership sayings and those drafted by Joel Barlow, the author and diplomat of the Treaty of Tripoli, when one understands the historical, diplomatic and religious context of it all.
America was founded as a Christian nation.
End of excerpt.
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| Posted: 18 Sep 2007 23:19 |
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That's wonderful.
Opinions don't over-ride reality.
We are not a theocracy and never were.
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| Posted: 19 Sep 2007 15:33 |
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That's all you got in response. So basically you are saying you don't believe and that's it. Which parts of Chuck's blog do you disagree with specifically?
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| Posted: 20 Sep 2007 02:56 |
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'Chuck' is entitled to his opinion, you to yours, and me to mine.
It doesn't change history or the present. We were never a theocracy and are not now.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 20 Sep 2007 19:15 |
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'Chuck' is entitled to his opinion, you to yours, and me to mine. But what do you disagree with specifically?
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 20 Sep 2007 19:17 |
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That supposedly intelligent people are debating Chuck Norris' intellectual and spiritual positions. He's no Kirk Cameron, you know.
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| Posted: 20 Sep 2007 19:24 |
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I wouldn't mess with Chuck pal, haven't you ever noticed that conservatives are usually guys that can kick butt?
You could stand to read Chuck' code of personal conduct.
I will develop myself to the maximum of my potential in all ways.
I will forget the mistakes of the past and press on to greater achievements
I will continually work at developing love, happiness and loyalty in my family
I will look for the good in all people and make them feel worthwhile.
If I have nothing good to say about a person, I will say nothing.
I will always be as enthusiastic about the success of others as I am about my own.
I will maintain an attitude of open-mindedness
I will maintain respect for those in authority and demonstrate this respect at all times.
I will always remain loyal to God, my country, family and my friends.
I will remain highly goal-oriented throughout my life because that positive attitude helps my family, my country, and myself.
It's like the Lone Ranger code.
More on Chuck Norris
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| Posted: 20 Sep 2007 19:30 |
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ain't trying to diss chuck … just don't go to him for historical and spiritual guidance. there's better sources …
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| Posted: 20 Sep 2007 19:30 |
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Name a few.
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| Posted: 20 Sep 2007 19:32 |
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You mean like Billy Graham, or like Mr. T. I wouldn't necessarily go to Mr. T for spiritual advice but he'd always steer you in the right moral direction don't you think?
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 20 Sep 2007 19:36 |
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Let's put the douchebag Cameron aside, we'll go with:
Stephen Ambrose
Herodotus
Edward Gibbon
Voltaire
Arnold Toynbee
Churchill
Shelby Foote
Just off the top of my head …
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| Posted: 20 Sep 2007 20:04 |
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Let's put the douchebag Cameron Dude don't tick me off, Cameron is too nice guy so watch it. I think he's got a lot of guts to do what he does.
Uh the only name I recognize is Churchill. I guess you mean like Winston Churchhill?
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| Posted: 20 Sep 2007 20:12 |
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sure, i don't agree with him on all counts, but, of course.
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I think he's got a lot of guts to do what he does.
What guts are those? He's a tool.
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| Posted: 20 Sep 2007 22:44 |
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It takes guts to deal with mean spirited criticism from foaming mad angry atheists and evolutionist out for blood anytime somebody dares to stand up against evolution. It's comments like yours that make guys like him heroes. If I were you guys, I'd rethink my attack strategy. Maybe you should focus more on the specifics of the arguments cause all you are doing is making him look good, and you look like the bad guys.
I don't hear Kirk Cameron running around calling you people idiots and tools. He might say words like "misguided", but nothing on the same scale as what you dudes spout.
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| Posted: 20 Sep 2007 23:02 |
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What do y'all say about Michael Moore? Seriously, the whole you-guys-do-this-and-our-side-plays-fair-and-polite shtick is lazy and lame. And a falsity.
If I were debating Cameron, I'd use logic and facts and be congenial. Here, on reallypolitical.com, I say he's a tool in a soft-porn gay video using a banana.
Either way, I'm right. And deep down, you know it.
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| Posted: 21 Sep 2007 00:47 |
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That is a very admirable list up there.
Not
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And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 21 Sep 2007 19:48 |
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Either way, I'm right. And deep down, you know it. I know you are a monkey boy, and Darwin sucks!
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__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 21 Sep 2007 19:53 |
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Well, the judicial branch is in many ways supposed to be independent of the majority to prevent mob rule. So judges play a substantial role in guiding policy. That's how the forefathers set it up.
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| Posted: 21 Sep 2007 20:11 |
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Judges are only to interpret law and the constitution not make it up as they go along. If they had just been following the founders vision of the contitution like previous judges then those anti-God and other liberal rulings wouldn't have started 200 some years later after the Constitution was written.
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| Posted: 21 Sep 2007 20:27 |
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I think you can find* conservative and liberal rulings that raise eyebrows.
*If you chose to look instead of blathering BS opinions you get from the car salesman.
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Judges are only to interpret law and the constitution not make it up as they go along
Exactly. Part of that is not letting their personal beliefs interfere in the process.
You still have not shown anything resembling democracy, which our country is founded on, in your bible, which Christianity is founded on.
You and Chuck both give reasons involving context, reading between the lines, prevailing attitudes, inspiration and every other possible escape from showing the actual truth.
If you want me to see your point, I want to see Book(s), Chapter(s), and Verse(s) specifically showing anything having to do with actual democracy in your Christian bible.
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| Posted: 22 Sep 2007 16:11 |
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Why don't you show me in the constitution a phrase or wording that without any doubt could prove your view on seperation of church and state. Tell me exactly in as short and precise manner possible.
As far as my side goes I can do know more than prove our founders for the most part were Christians or at the very least people who believed there is a God. I have proved how the Bible influenced and inspired the constitution, how it shaped the opinions of the founders, and I think proved that without God there would have been no Constitution or Declaration of Independence because like I've said they based our freedoms on what they saw was our rights given to us by God that cannot be taken away by a government. They got the strength to fight because they believed that they had a right to be free given to them by God. So maybe I can't pull out a verse that says, "and George Washington will lead the country, and the USA should put the following ammendments in the constitution etc."
I'd like to think I gave you something to think about anyway.
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Just for the quickness:
The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. The phrase itself does not appear in the Constitution, but it has been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court.
Many of the founding fathers writings outside of the constitution have been used to interpret laws and guide policies since the US came into being.
But more to the point: ONCE AGAIN (read this part): Most interpretations of the 1st amendment take it to mean that government shouldn't endorse ONE SPECIFIC TYPE OF RELIGION.
Think about that.
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| Posted: 22 Sep 2007 16:39 |
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Right, that means no official church, no law forcing people to go to church, etc. It doesn't mean people can't pray at a football game, or a judge can't post the 10 commandments on a wall.
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| Posted: 22 Sep 2007 16:46 |
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It doesn't mean people can't pray at a football game, or a judge can't post the 10 commandments on a wall.
If it's at a public school, it gets tricky. And many 10 commandments are allowed to be displayed, if they are included with other displays from other religions or within a secular context.
Seriously, you keep saying what you think with no regard for the history.
Read for a little before you type, chickenhawk.
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| Posted: 23 Sep 2007 21:08 |
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thanks you've opened my eyes I do see a resemblance to a monkey and charles darwin. It's uncanny. No wonder he wanted everyone else to believe they shared monkeys as common ancestors.
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