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| Posted: 03 Jul 2008 01:12 |
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My point about it mattering or not is that bickering doesn't solve which side is 'right' or if there should even be sides and we reallly have so much more important things to focus on right now. You already know I think the majority of the bible is fiction(if not before than you do now) and as far as the debate is concerned, my mind is already made up on this subject. Understand that I'm not saying this issue shouldn't be talked about, further investigated or stretched to it's furthest dimensions in every way imaginable and unimaginable. I just think that going over the same questions and giving the same answers time and again is taking away from a better use of everyone's time.
'Piss on it' is a perfectly rational and human reaction unfortunately.
Thank you for the very involving example. A few thoughts struck me instantly as I read it.
(this might seem offensive and I deeply apologize in advance but I have to ask) Are you 100% sure all 3 are yours? I really hope this is yes and I haven't upset anyone and I apologize again if I did but this was my automatic first reaction. It is no reflection or judgement on you or your bride. It is actually a question from observance of my own surroundings.
Secondly, we have to address whether or not differing hair colors have any advantage to the survival of the species, your family in particular. This will differ between a plain selection and natural selection, so to speak. There is something to be said about someone being more desirable being an advantage in that they should be producing more offspring. Whether or not hair color actually affects this in humans all by itself is something of a gray area, at least to me.
If it were true that those eliminations were only temporary, we should have a few species that died out maybe reappear? Nature doesn't strike me as that kind.
The thing with those roaches is that it is true that it begins as a natural occurance in only a small portion of their species to be resistant or even immune to poisons. Where it would be considered evolution is in passing that resistance/immunity on to ALL of their offspring instead of just disappearing for a bit until the air is clear, so to speak.
Here's a funny afterthought. To test that resurgence you would have to use the poison again-imagine the results being positive or negative and it's kinda funny either way.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 04 Jul 2008 02:29 |
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Are you 100% sure all 3 are yours? I really hope this is yes and I haven't upset anyone and I apologize again if I did but this was my automatic first reaction. It is no reflection or judgment on you or your bride. It is actually a question from observance of my own surroundings. I actually had a chuckle at this. All three are absolutely mine. My dad is a red head (well, when he had hair) , my mother in law is a blond and my wife and I are both brunettes.
Now I wouldn't be so foolish as to say that hair color gave anyone any sort of survival advantage. I was just using that as a physically identifiable example. By the same token, it's hard to imagine an environmental shift that would only wipe out redheads. Once again, only an example.
Now I think we can agree that there are situations where the environmental conditions change so quickly or so drastically that not even the vast variety available in a gene pool can overcome it. We call that extinction.
I also believe that there is a certain amount of 'genetic load' going on. I believe our genes have been copied and copied over and over again since creation, and as a result we are seeing more and more 'miscopies' for lack of a better term. Sometimes those copies result in some sort of mutation, sometimes it just results in an overall degradation of the gene pool. The fruit of this degradation probably climbs into your cab at least once or twice a day 
But in the overall big picture, the gene pool of any species is vast and was designed at Creation to be able to adapt to a variety of situations. I see no way for useable information to be added to the genetic coding already present.
But we have probably gone way beyond beating this horse to death.
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| Posted: 04 Jul 2008 03:10 |
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The fruit of this degradation probably climbs into your cab at least once or twice a day
I find that the actual measure of that fruit is directly proportionate to what amount you expect on that day.
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I see no way for useable information to be added to the genetic coding already present
It's not as if I'm a grand expert here, but from what I have heard, that information can not only be added to but actually removed from as well. You've probably been on the treadmill of human tailbones, etc already. Apparently the only thing in nature that goes one way really is time itself.
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But we have probably gone way beyond beating this horse to death.
That one lost sock is never eaten by the dryer and it's usually in the last place you'd expect, like perhaps your freezer. Talking without the waste of over-repetition is never wasteful. Imagine the marvelous accident of someone solving one of these mysteries.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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It's not as if I'm a grand expert here, but from what I have heard, that information can not only be added to but actually removed from as well. I do try to read up on this stuff, but I'm not an expert either. I see no mechanism for introducing new genetic information into a gene pool. The information has to be very specific and even a simple chromosome is unimaginably complex. Mutations don't produce new information, just scrambled versions of old information.
When I was in high school a hundred years ago, we did an experiment one year with fruit flies. We somehow raised and irradiated ( I don't remember how, maybe we sent them someplace) several generations of fruit flies and we got tons of mutations. We got fruit flies with no wings and fruit flies with 6 wings and fruit flies with no heads and fruit flies with 9 legs, etc. At no point did we see anything approaching a useful adaptation or anything resembling a new structure. I was still an atheist at the time and someone asked about why we weren't seeing any useful mutations develop. My science teacher's response was something like "I guess fruit flies have evolved as far as they can." Or maybe they were created right the first time.
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Not that I want to imitate CODY, but I'm bumping this up so you have the evolution primer handy again.
I do miss Preacher man being here.
So, on with it....
^bump.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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