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Pages: 1 Posted:  08 Feb 2009 14:58 Registered User Posts:  4725 Join Date: Aug 2007 __________________ But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles Posted:  09 Feb 2009 17:02 Administrator Currently Offline Posts:  4786 Join Date: Jul 2007 This guy sounds like a knee jerk liberal. He hates defense spending, but seems to cringe at cutting other expenses. Defense spending does create jobs too. Thing is the government shouldn't be spending money on anything other than defense or law enforcement. Maybe roads. Republicans have a long way to go to prove they really and truly are against excessive spending and wouldn't do the same thing when they get power. Although I do believe that Obama will spend more than McCain would have. One republican running for President had recommended a 230 billion or so stimulus package. A lot, but way down from Obama's. __________________ Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either. Posted:  09 Feb 2009 21:45 Registered User Posts:  4725 Join Date: Aug 2007 Quote: Defense spending does create jobs too. Show me one new job created by throwing even more money in that direction. You can't. The extra money simply winds up in the same pockets as before. I also want to know how you can reconcile this with wanting a smaller government. __________________ But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles Posted:  09 Feb 2009 23:08 Administrator Currently Offline Posts:  4786 Join Date: Jul 2007 Defense spending means more money for government contractors that build all kinds of things like ships, vehicles, weapons, and on and on. That gives jobs to welders, assembly lines, and whoever else is employed thereby. Yes, I do want smaller government. The point is the original intent of our fore fathers was that defense was one of the areas the government was to provide the people. So defense is therefore a legitimate expense for the government. Whether or not they are spending wisely in that area is another matter altogether. __________________ Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either. Posted:  10 Feb 2009 13:13 Registered User Posts:  4725 Join Date: Aug 2007 Quote: So defense is therefore a legitimate expense for the government. Can I make the suggestion that you reassess what our forefathers actually had in mind for our defense as compared to the world policing effort we now have? I also want you to think about if giving more money to the same contractors actually ramps up production or creates any new jobs-what exactly will we have to show for the extra money that we don't have now in less abstract terms? I say nothing changes except the CEO bank accounts. I could be worng-you tell me. __________________ But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles Posted:  10 Feb 2009 18:42 Administrator Currently Offline Posts:  4786 Join Date: Jul 2007 Well as I said before, " Whether or not they are spending wisely in that area is another matter altogether." That goes to the wisdom of the President and those he puts in charge of watching defense spending. I'm just defending defense spending in of and by itself. I think John McCain addressed this and would have been much more qualified to make defense spending more efficient. As far as policing the earth. I'm not for that at all. What I'm for though is protecting America. If a President can make the case that going into a country makes America safer than I'm for it, but if it's just to get involved with civil wars then I'm not nearly as inclined to get behind it. Although I like anyone else hate to see innocent people getting killed in other countries thanks to dictators and such. I think Clinton was the one that looked at the military more as a policing body. __________________ Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either. Posted:  10 Feb 2009 20:38 Registered User Posts:  4725 Join Date: Aug 2007 Quote: I think Clinton was the one that looked at the military more as a policing body. Clinton was no angel, but it was Bush who invaded two countries pre-emptively. As far as the spending goes, neither one wanted to shrink our world policing and country building exploits- McCain just made more noise with his campaign promises in this area. They're both the same in this area. I think we really are seeing what McCain would have carried out with a different cast of characters, including Gitmo. __________________ But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles Pages: 1

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