But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 09 Mar 2009 16:36
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Great it's Satanic Santa Claus.
I got news for you, I saw evidence of Jesus Christ at Church yesterday. People were singing and worshipping, An Arab even spoke of his conversion to Christianity in the middle of TN. Very good testimony. He wants to reach the 20 or more Arab families in East Tn with the Gospel of Christ. He talked about his life was threatened in Syria I think it was, for witnessing about Christ. Funny how some folks are willing to risk their lives to witness about someone you say didn't even exist. Even funnier that others are willing to kill to keep Christ's name silent if he's just a figment of our imagination.
I never heard of anyone risking their lives over the name of Tinkerbell or Santa Claus have you? __________________
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What was your evidence exactly that you saw of Jesus Christ?
btw, the vid was not claiming Jesus didn't exist, except maybe as a possible afterthought. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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My evidence is basically seeing Christ through other people. Last week a person won through our Church's spanish ministry told how he tried drugs and alcohol to fill the void. Nothing worked till he found out about Jesus via our Spanish preacher.
Our pastor is really heavy into reaching out to all people. __________________
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You understand when I say that you created your own bridge to cross there instead of there actually being one, yes? __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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The general gist I got was he was trying to say Nazareth never existed as to try to question the Biblical account. About the same difference.
For that you get two eye rollers. __________________
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The Nazareth described in the book and the spot it's supposed to exist on do not match-that's what he pointed at. Prove him wrong. Just 'knowing in your heart' isn't proof either.
As he says, if the book is wrong on this, it can be wrong on other things. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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I heard a old preacher say yesterday on a old recording that if a smart man came up to him and gave him a hundred intellectual arguments why he couldn't really love his wife. He wouldn't be convinced. He'd know in his heart he still loved his wife no matter how convincing the smart guy was.
I know God. Can't convince me he doesn't exist just because I may or may not have all the intellectual answers. My faith isn't in my ability to argue his existence. I've seen in God work in my own personal life many times. You can't argue away a lifetime of experiences. __________________
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It would be like me giving you intellectual arguments that your mother doesn't exist. Your very existence proves you have a mother. __________________
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Quote: I know God. Can't convince me he doesn't exist just because I may or may not have all the intellectual answers. My faith isn't in my ability to argue his existence. I've seen in God work in my own personal life many times. You can't argue away a lifetime of experiences.
I don't want to convince you either way that he does or does not exist-I don't 'know' either way. You don't 'know' either-you believe, and there's a world of difference between believing and knowing something.
Quote: It would be like me giving you intellectual arguments that your mother doesn't exist.
You don't have a single intellectual argument that says my mother exists or doesn't. The best you can offer is a poor analogy. This also says a little something about the things we think we 'know'. Your analogy just failed.
To the best of your knowledge, with what you know of humans and assuming naturally that I am one and was born through natural means, you can only work on the knowledge that I had a mother at one time. Anything else is not intellectual, or true for that matter.
Just for the record my mom died back in 2000. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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By the way, someone loving their wife is not even remotely like that someone describing a real geographical location. Those two things don't even come from the same hemisphere of the brain. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Quote: Just for the record my mom died back in 2000.
I'm sorry. It was meant as a generalization not anything personal. I didn't know your mother died. __________________
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I really didn't mean to bring up something like that. I know losing loved ones is something you never get over completely. __________________
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I'm not hurt in the least Tim-there's no way you could have known since it's never come up before and it's not actually a sore subject with me. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Ok, that's good. Political arguments are worth hurting somebody's feelings. You know. __________________
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Quote: Political arguments are worth hurting somebody's feelings.
I don't think that's what you meant to say but I'll keep it in mind just the same. __________________
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I meant aren't. Geez, lately I can't type. Probably my stupid cat's fault for jumping up on the keyboard all the time.
She drives me crazy with the meow meow meow until I let her up here. __________________
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For whatever reason I'm not seeing the links in some of these threads. So I have no idea what the Amazing Randi had to say about Mr. Christ.
That being said, trying to disprove a historical jesus is about as practical as proving a historical jesus.
We're talking about oral tradition from 2,000 years ago that wasn't written down for about a hundred years after it all went down.
Much like Socrates, Jesus' existence could have been purely fictional, but that doesn't mean the world should not be reminded that there once was a man called socrates nor that there once was a man called Jesus (Actually he wasn't called Jesus, but Yeshua that's that whole oral tradition thing).
At some point the story of Jesus becomes more important than the reality of Jesus. I say this as a man who fimrly believes that Jesus was the son of God and walked the earth and heald the sick and all that jazz. But even if he didn't it would matter little.
The differnce between a religion and a cult (and this is my own definition) is that if you remove god from the equation, a religion still has merit, meaning and purpose, and a cult doesn't. The teachings of Jesus and how those teachings change humanity and it's behaviors is what is important. Whether you want to have arguments about the three kings and the census of Augustus is really just window dressing. You can say it has to be true to your faith, and that's fine, there is no way to disprove it as a reality. If it's not necessary to your faith, that's fine to, it is equally unprovable as real. In the end, what matters about god, christ, and spirituality is how it effects your life. If it effects your life in a positive way then your doing something right, if it effects your life in a negative way then you're doing something wrong.
Last week a person won through our Church's spanish ministry told how he tried drugs and alcohol to fill the void. Nothing worked till he found out about Jesus via our Spanish preacher.
