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Posted:  09 Apr 2009 15:29
Iran poses no threat to US: Russia

Iran poses no threat to the United States, Russia said Tuesday, rebuffing a key argument of President Barack Obama on whether to go ahead with a European missile shield bitterly opposed by Moscow.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.89f94643ff57e11b42acf ...

Well there you go we can all breathe a sigh of relief because Russia says we don't have to worry about a thing. That's like asking for health advice from your old worst enemy.
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Posted:  09 Apr 2009 20:36
Unless you know something different, Iran >doesn't< pose any threat to us at all, so, 'Russia' would be correct(since it's obviously the whole country we're quoting all at once).

Actually, their message isn't saying 'don't worry' so much as 'don't waste the money and time'.
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Posted:  10 Apr 2009 00:08
You honestly think Iran poses absolutely no threat at all? That's like saying rattlesnakes and copperheads are safe to keep under your bed.
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Posted:  10 Apr 2009 09:19
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You honestly think Iran poses absolutely no threat at all?

You have something outside your imagination that shows any way imaginable for them to be a threat, I'd love to see it.
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And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  10 Apr 2009 15:08
So you aren't worried about the fact they are working on a nuclear bomb? Or the fact they have said they want to wipe Israel off the face of the map. You think they are our bosom buddies or something?
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Posted:  10 Apr 2009 19:59
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You have something outside your imagination that shows any way imaginable for them to be a threat, I'd love to see it.

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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  11 Apr 2009 17:26
You are in denial.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  11 Apr 2009 20:27
You have allowed the media to place ideas in your head you can't back up in reality. It's you who are in denial.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  13 Apr 2009 18:15
Ok, you tell me what pals the Iranian government is to America. And how peace loving yet.

But seriously do you think it's a great idea for some government like Iran that threatens Israel to have nukes?
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Posted:  13 Apr 2009 18:21
Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in his Own Words

http://www.adl.org/main_International_Affairs/ahmadinejad_words.h ...

Q&A on Iran's Nuclear Weapons Program

http://www.adl.org/main_Anti_Semitism_International/iranian_threa ...
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Posted:  13 Apr 2009 20:45
All Muslims are anti-semites, by proxy. This is one of the joys of religion and how it creates enemies by 'holy decree'. Similar to you guys and your recent battle with the 'Sodomites'.

On another note, I do love how they make Israel look like innocent little victims. Oh wait-it's a site dedicated to the Jews-that explains it. Makes me wonder what you're doing there though. Just a quick grab for something to fortify your argument?

I'll repeat again that you don't have any actual reason to view Iran as a threat in the nuclear arms game. I'm also going to give you the opportunity to show why ANY country is actually safe and trustable with them-including ours.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  14 Apr 2009 18:04
Christians don't have any plans to create nuclear bombs to destroy San Francisco that I know of. So your comparisons seem to be made only to tick people off.

As far as Israel and Jews are concerned. Do you have racial prejudice towards all Jews or just against the nation of Israel?

If you really want to have a good discussion about this let me know, but right now it's not looking to promising with your wild accusations.

Hold on a minute while I get my next war time instructions from Billy Graham.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  14 Apr 2009 20:35
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Christians don't have any plans to create nuclear bombs to destroy San Francisco that I know of.

Iran has no such plans for anywhere either except in your head.

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So your comparisons seem to be made only to tick people off.

My comparison is about mixing religion with government and the dangers inherant to such. It wasn't just to tick you off.

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As far as Israel and Jews are concerned. Do you have racial prejudice towards all Jews or just against the nation of Israel?

I have no prejudice toward either. Considering that you ignore responding about just making a quick grab for info, you verify my suspicions by taking this path.

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If you really want to have a good discussion about this let me know, but right now it's not looking to promising with your wild accusations.

You have only provided wild accusations yourself and backed it with poor logic-first with Iran being some sort of nuclear threat to begin with, then conjuring up prejudice on my part to cover for your lack of evidence. You started the thread-if you really wanted to have a 'good discussion' about this you should have had your facts straight first, yes?
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  15 Apr 2009 15:39   Last Edited By: Tim
Here your pal says America is a criminal, and death to israel at the end. What a loving role model for children everywhere.






This video is probably the only one that will upset you about this guy. He says there are no homos in his country and from the way it sounds it's probably because he has them executed.

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Posted:  15 Apr 2009 21:28
Theocracies still bad and Iran still not a nuclear threat.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  16 Apr 2009 16:07
So the fact they are building nuclear bombs means nothing?
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Posted:  16 Apr 2009 18:19
One- I don't think anyone is safe with nuclear bombs.

Two- Show some proof Iran is building them. You calling something a fact doesn't make it one.

Three- Show their capability of delivering one, if they ever get around to making one.

3A- If the method of delivery you have in mind is missile based, show why it wouldn't be blasted out of the sky.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  16 Apr 2009 20:46
I think it's common knowledge Iran is working on nuclear bomb capabilities. They've been talking about that on the news for years now.

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Show their capability of delivering one, if they ever get around to making one.
If we wait till they have the capability we might just be screwed.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  16 Apr 2009 23:16
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I think it's common knowledge Iran is working on nuclear bomb capabilities.

'Common knowledge' is rarely worth heeding, much less accurate or factual. That's what makes it common.

Working on capabilities? Meaningless and probably not true with what this is intending to say while what it is saying is that they don't have them. Even if they figure out the 'capability' part, that still doesn't put one automatically in their possession.

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If we wait till they have the capability we might just be screwed.

No capability then. Right.

They don't have and can't use them. Thanks for coming around.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  18 Apr 2009 22:46
Cute, but you haven't exactly changed my opinion.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  19 Apr 2009 12:46
Your opinion isn't based on reality. You even disproved yourself with your own words. All I pointed out.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  20 Apr 2009 16:43
No, I just think since it's common knowledge Iran is a dangerous threat to democracy that you ought to be the one with the burden of proof. Not me.
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Posted:  20 Apr 2009 20:37
You're the one making positive claims about their possession of nuclear weapons(which they don't have, even by your own words), their capability of using them(which they also don't have), and even their desire to use them(which is based on nothing but your own fear). You're the one making positive claims-you own the burden of proof.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  20 Apr 2009 20:51
No your turn. It's easy to just throw it off on me. You tell me why they are such great peace loving non-threats.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  21 Apr 2009 11:16
You made the claims, you have to back them up.

To quote Hitchens:
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"What Can Be Asserted Without Evidence Can Be Dismissed Without Evidence"


You want to assert that Iran has nukes-provide evidence or it's dismissed.

You want to assert that they have the means to use them if they did have them- provide evidence or this also gets dismissed.

You want to assert that they intend to use them- same game.

Simple as that.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  21 Apr 2009 16:33
Dude, have I not proven the guy is dangerous? What do you think they are doing with the Nuclear waste? Why do you think the fact they have nuclear power plants makes everyone nervous? Take one power mad dictator with thoughts of genocide, add nuclear waste that can be turned into nuclear bombs, and you better watch him close unless you want another Hitler on your hands.

Remember a lot of Americans were asleep at the wheel when Hitler started his reign of terror. The lesson of history is to never look the other way when there are dictators and nut jobs doing their thing. Keep your eye on them and pay real close attention. Surely you wouldn't want to just ignore this guy and hope he doesn't do anything threatening to our security?
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Posted:  21 Apr 2009 20:37
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Dude, have I not proven the guy is dangerous?

No. You've proven you have an overactive imagination well fed by the media.

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What do you think they are doing with the Nuclear waste?

Another prime example. What waste and what are they supposedly doing with it?
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Why do you think the fact they have nuclear power plants makes everyone nervous?

The media.

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add nuclear waste that can be turned into nuclear bombs

Nuclear power and nuclear bomb are as connected as truck driver and drunk driver. Show how this turnover is possible.

I'd like to suggest that the reason the media is trying to convince us to look so closely at Iran is to not only draw our attention away from our own government but to justify attacking them. All that guff about 'power mad dictator' and Hitler and terror is HYPE and PROPAGANDA.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  21 Apr 2009 21:28
Another of those wonderful soundbites that people take for granted is the 'wipe Israel off the map' line. Check what you accept as fact sometime.

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The closest translation to what the Iranian President actually said is, "The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time," or a narrow relative thereof. In no version is the word "map" used or a context of mass genocide or hostile military action even hinted at.

From:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/260107offthemap.htm

You don't like that site? How about Wikipedia?
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Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) statement that Ahmadinejad had demanded that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]

Ahmadinejad's phrase was " بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " according to the text published on the President's Office's website, and was a quote of Ayatollah Khomeini.[10]

According to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as:

The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[11]

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly, as "be eliminated from the pages of history."[12]

According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13]

On June 2, 2006 The Guardian columnist and foreign correspondent Jonathan Steele published an article based on this line of reasoning.[14]

Sources within the Iranian government have also denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat.[15][16][17] On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister denied that Tehran wanted to see Israel "wiped off the map," saying Ahmadinejad had been misunderstood. "Nobody can remove a country from the map. This is a misunderstanding in Europe of what our president mentioned," Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference, speaking in English, after addressing the European Parliament. "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime," he said.[18][19][20]

Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada who presented a paper at the International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust conference in Iran, believes the text is a mistranslation.[21]

Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation—"wipe Israel off the map"—suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations. The notion that Iran can "wipe out" U.S.-backed, nuclear-armed Israel is ludicrous.[22][23][24]

In a June 11, 2006 analysis of the translation controversy, New York Times deputy foreign editor and Israeli resident Ethan Bronner argued that Ahmadinejad had called for Israel to be wiped off the map. After noting the objections of critics such as Cole and Steele, Bronner stated:

But translators in Tehran who work for the president's office and the foreign ministry disagree with them. All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement, including a description of it on his website, refer to wiping Israel away. Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Iran’s most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say “wipe off” or “wipe away” is more accurate than "vanish" because the Persian verb is active and transitive.

Bronner continued: "..it is hard to argue that, from Israel's point of view, Mr. Ahmadinejad poses no threat. Still, it is true that he has never specifically threatened war against Israel. So did Iran's president call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map'? It certainly seems so. Did that amount to a call for war? That remains an open question."[13] This elicited a further response from Jonathan Steele, who took issue with the use of the word "map" instead of the phrase "wipe out" and criticized this Wikipedia entry (as it was on June 14, 2006) for misrepresenting Ethan Bronner.[25]

From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

How about the New York Times?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/weekinreview/11bronner.html?par ...

To be fair, if you do your own search on that quote, there are a number of sites with the 'wipe them off the map' translation-mainly the major media outlets like CNN. You decide who might be being honest and forthcoming.
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And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  21 Apr 2009 22:11
Is it possible this was misinterpreted. Sure, but does that mean Iran poses no threat. No. Not by a long shot. I'm not saying we have to go over there today. I'm not following quite closely enough to suggest a course of detailed action, but what I am saying is they need to be watched very closely, and if necessary military force might be necessary to keep them from building nukes. If Obama ever gets the place to attack Iran, I'd say they have bombs and they intend to use them for sure.
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Posted:  22 Apr 2009 12:13
1: No country should have nuclear weapons-there isn't one that can be trusted with them, including us. That's it. There's no relativity teeter-totter there.

2: We really need to concentrate on what's going on in our own backyard and let other countries handle their own business.

3: To suggest that military force is EVER justified except as retaliation to inititory force of another military is immoral to the core. Do yourself a huge favor and turn off the 'news'-it's poisoning your mind.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles