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First, I actually think Mitt Romney is just John Kerry, but to fool us all Clark Kent style- he combs his hair backwards.
"Let's see... I'm going to need a disguise... Ah, now I can trick them into making me President!"
The mormon thing is just a red herring. That's Kerry, Republicans. He's just working the ultimate con on you. Ye shall know him by his flip-floppery. And the way he doesn't end up President of the United States.
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Now then, regarding his sons: Mitt only got really interested in this war a short time ago. Romney was a Governor, and didn't have any reason to look at the war any way but skeptically (Gov of Massachusetts). He might support it publicly, but he still knows the same thing all "well to do" people know about war- there are better opportunities back home. For those kids anyway.
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War. What is it good for? Not scoring political points. Ask John McCain, Al Gore or John Kerry. Whatever you might think about any of these guys, they all signed up for Vietnam and they aren't President.
(Additionally, Jimmy Carter and George HW Bush both had great military careers and both were beaten by guys who "always wanted to join" but didn't. And before Bush 41, there was a guy who made Troy McClure style "how to" films for GI's in WWII, but didn't sign up. )
Our current president avoided the war by being in the National Guard. Before him, a guy who avoided the war with a student defferment. Can we blame them? Even the people who started Vietnam have admitted it was a mistake.
But is being pro war hypocrisy? Yes, on a national, as well as a partisan and personal scale. But lets not forget- most people in this country were pro war at the only time having an opinion about it mattered: Spring of 2003.
After that, we needed to win the war. Even now, we have to win to leave. If the place doesn't get better- we more or less have to stay. Now, actions matter.
So who among us has organized a wounded war vets fund? Who has started biking to work?
Who has written their Congress person encouraging a draft?
Who was supposed to lead a war effort and didn't?
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If as a society, we want to go running around, saving the world- we all need to be in on that or at least accounable for that.
Here's how Iraq would be different with a draft:
1.) Wouldn't have happened.
2.) No surge necessary. Plenty of troops already there.
3.) No need for Blackwater, Blackwater killing rampages, or soverignty threatening creation of private armies in NC.
4.) Concern for Bush twins means everybody actually gets body armor.
5.) Concern for Bush twins means war is actually given some thought and planning.
6.) Doting parents buy smaller, less gas consuming cars to support the troops because they have a soldier in the family.
7.) People who own Hummers donate them to the military to avoid public shame and embarrassment.
7.) Bush raises taxes for the war effort. No one minds, because they all want to do their part to support their son, daughter, neighbor, nephew, friends...
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Is the problem with Romeney's kids? Not really. The problem is that everyone supported, voted for, or concieved of the war as if they didn't know anybody who would have to go. Not suprisingly- thats exaclty what it looks like.
The ultimate irony now is that Americans bandy around the insult "you don't support the troops", as if the troops could make bullets or body armour out of nice things that are said about the military.
True support for the troops would have been a national commitment where we worked with them in accomplishing the same mission. If we're in Iraq for oil, then we needed to cut back on oil. If there is a shortage of people, then we need to have a draft. If we can't get other nations to help us out, then we need to fire the politicans who can't get along with anyone.
Finally, if the war was obviously a bad idea, then we need to either A.) do our research and not give public support to it before it starts or B.) fire the bonehead who talked us into it.
So do I blame Mitt for not sending his boys? No, not really. How are they going to win this thing? 5 guys is a pretty small surge.
I blame Mitt for pretending he has the answers for Iraq, or for pretending that any policy similar to Bush's might work. Hopefully, he'll flipflop away from that one.
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One more thing. This may sound a little harsh, but I mean no harm to gay people here- in the closet or out.
I don't remember any choice involved when I started noticing girls. I didn't think about it, I just woke up one morning and quickly became a D student (at best) because all I cared about was females.
I don't know any other straight guy who has admitted to really thinking over whether he liked men or women.
Instead, I think that some people who really are gay or maybe bi are scarred to death of that. Our society can be pretty rough on gay people, and every gay person has straight parents that they don't want to let down. So some of them attempt to cover it up, and usually do a terrible job. Some of those people are even elected to Congress, or end up Pastors to cover it up, but that never seems to work.
I dunno. I can only account for myself. But if its a choice to be gay, then its also a choice to be straight. Who here has "made a choice?" Not me bro. I ain't a gay.
Q.) What kind of straight male has some difficult choice to make as to what gender he's attracted to?
A.) A gay one.
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hey, Capt.A. i think you missed my point about Cheneys daughter. i just meant that blaming Romney for his sons not enlisting is the same as blaming Cheney for his daughter being a lesbian. how is it eithers fault??  i don't dislike michael moore, but in Fahrenheit 9/11, when he was asking those Senators to enlist their kids...i was thinking to myself: As if they're "bad" for not enlisting their sons and daughters...without their approval or knowledge. i would of just said to michael moore: "Thank you. i will take one of your brochures home to show to my child. if THEY decide that THEY wanna serve, than i'm sure THEY will fill it out and send it in. after all, it's THEIR decision. not mine."
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also, Tim, and anybody else who thinks that gayes choose to be gay, answer me this: Why are all the homosexuals lieing about it then? i mean, they all come out and say they were born this way, so why would they lie? do you think they've been brainwashed by watching "Will & Grace" and "Brokeback Mountain?" i mean, your stance on the issue is really, REALLY...retarded. sorry, but that's the only word that comes to mind. your whole argument against it is based on the bible. do you have any SENSIBLE reason to believe the way you do?
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What about the fact some people choose to not have sex at all? I'm sure they are attracted to someone, but they either never have sex or wait till they get married to do it right. There's always choices, just not always easy choices when lust and sin are involved.
Lots of former gays have become Christians and gave up their former way of life. How do you explain that? Are they the liars then?
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Lots of former gays have become Christians and gave up their former way of life. How do you explain that? Are they the liars then?
Well, I'd say a lie is deceiving someone else in a hurtful or unfair way. It really isn't anyone's business if a person is gay or straight, so I'd say "liar" is too strong of a term. Also, if there's a good deal of self deceit involved- I don't think that makes someone a liar either.
But why put them through it? Who gives a damn? If being gay is a sin, well everyone else in the church would readily admit being a sinner plenty of the time. There's no campaign to "cure" these other sinners of all sorts of bad behavior, just one of forgiveness. Someone being gay doesn't even pose a threat to you like many other sins might. If you think gay people are sinning, then hope that the Lord will forgive them and move on.
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Lots of former gays have become Christians and gave up their former way of life. I've known some gay Christians. One in particular was a very good person who gradually lost his life to AIDS. That loss was profoundly felt at his church, where he and his boyfriend were very active. Therefore I don't think "becoming a Christian" should be some sort of gay exorcism process. That has driven plenty of gay people away from Christianity and probably screwed up the way a lot of people think about themselves. Better to just let people be themselves. If they want to change, they'll change.
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Someone being gay doesn't even pose a threat to you like many other sins might. If you think gay people are sinning, then hope that the Lord will forgive them and move on.
The sin itself hurts the person doing it just like any other sin, the reason you here so much from people like me on it is the polticizing of the issue from the left side where as it's been told to us it's a normal lifestyle and we should accept it, blah blah blah. It's only natural we give our opinion on the matter right back out there into society.
As for the gay church, I don't know what to tell you, but while most churches welcome sinners to attend and it's another matter of stamping an approval on a person's sin. I would say that was a very liberal church that never preached against sin.
The whole purpose of Christiainity is to accept Christ and forsake our old sins or lifestyle. So it's impossible for someone to say I accept Jesus as my Lord but I'm going to hang onto this sin in my life or that. We all sin, but there is a difference between failing occassionally and purposefully living in sin. To accept Jesus as Lord means you have to obey his commandments.
Please remember that while folks might can get away with joining a liberal church and doing whatever they want, that doesn't mean they are going to get away with it with God. I can lie and say it's all good, but then that would be a sin too.
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Please remember that while folks might can get away with joining a liberal church and doing whatever they want, that doesn't mean they are going to get away with it with God. I can lie and say it's all good, but then that would be a sin too.
Hey, at least you're honest. And I know this hasn't been your intention Tim, but such views have made you increasingly impotent as a religious voice on this board. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to think that if people don't believe exactly as you do- God isn't happy with them.
Maybe that's shorthand for "they're all going to hell", or maybe not. I don't want to put words into your mouth.
Even the most similar person to you is going to differ somewhere along the line with regard to views about God.
I have heard you say many times that people needed to respect your religious views as they crept into the political arena.
Your feeling that people who differ from you are sinning, is why they don't.
What can I say? I knew that's the response I would get. There's not the first thing I could say that would get you to drop the gay thing. But I caution YOU about being so judgmental about other people's religious beliefs, especially as you ask us to respect your own.
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Bush raises taxes for the war effort. No one minds, because they all want to do their part to support their son, daughter, neighbor, nephew, friends... i like this one actually you thought them all out pretty well there Danny
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to think that if people don't believe exactly as you do- God isn't happy with them. Yeah, you got it, now you know my secret.
Danny, I didn't write the Bible, and I'm fully aware of the fact that those that don't compromise the teachings of scripture are bound to get heck for it.
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But I caution YOU about being so judgmental about other people's religious beliefs, especially as you ask us to respect your own. No, I want the right for myself or other Christians to speak out whenever others are given the same opportunity and not get thrown in jail for it like Canada or Massachussetts. I'd like for you all to respect God not me. A lot of times I've seen blasphemous things written here by some to try and get on my nerves I guess, but it's God you are attacking not me.
Besides what would be the point of you respecting my beliefs if I'm not allowed to have my beliefs? In other words if I have to change my beliefs to suit you, they aren't really my beliefs then are they?
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No, I want the right for myself or other Christians to speak out whenever others are given the same opportunity and not get thrown in jail for it like Canada or Massachussetts.
Back that up. When have people been thrown in jail for peacefully protesting gay rights.
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Some old ladies did, they got thrown into a paddy wagon.
Here's some stuff I've heard before on Focus on the Family but this is from a different source.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57583
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Madison, Wis. David Ott, a former homosexual, was arrested for a "hate crime" for sharing his testimony with a homosexual at a gas station. He faced a $10,000 fine and one year behind bars. Seven thousand dollars in legal fees later, [he] was ordered to attend re-education classes at the University of Wisconsin conducted by a lesbian.
St. Petersburg, Fla. Five Christians including two pastors were arrested at a homosexual rally for stepping onto the public sidewalk instead staying caged in their officially designated "free speech zone."
Elmira, N.Y. The Elmira police arrested seven Christians for praying in a public park where a homosexual festival was getting started.
Crystal Lake, Ill. Two 16 year old girls are facing felony "hate crime" charges for the content of their flyers.
Philadelphia, Pa. Arlene Elshinnawy, a 75-year-old grandmother of three, and Linda Beckman, a 70-year-old grandmother of 10 (along with nine others), were arrested for sharing their faith on the public sidewalk.
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Kennedy out work on hate speech here
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57872
Please don't give this the usual brush off bull crap, " I don't believe it happened jazz.
This stuff just doesn't get widely reported in the media because of the bias and the giant stigma attached to saying anything negative about gay movements. The general population out there is afraid to say anything anymore for fear of getting called a bigot, or losing money or whatever consequences it might bring. Religious liberty is taking a back seat to freedom of living without a guilty concience. I mean that's what this boils down to. People don't want to hear their wrong, or need God in anyway so they use the political system to shut Christians up despite our country's freedom of speech and religion rights.
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Actually, I heard about this Air America and read about it in an AP story. And WorldNetDaily is a highly opinionated source that mixes and nixes facts and opinion as it suits them. Just an FYI …
Look, the federal amendment on hate crimes was a measure to ensure that states were enforcing the laws on their books. During the Civil Rights struggle, feds did the same. It's part of the fed's purview.
The list of events are probably cases of harassment. Ott at the gas station may have been told by the person in question to bug off, and Ott persisted, maybe even impeding the person as they tried to pump his gas. You can't do that.
As well, if a group gets a permit to use a park, it has permission to ask people to leave who are disrupting its event. And if the disruptors don't, the police can be called in.
If your church gets a permit at a park, it is yours to use. If someone shows up extolling Satan, that prson would be asked to leave. If he didn't, your church can call the cops.
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I think you are making excuses for clear violations of free speech. You are also automatically assuming these people somehow deserved this kind of treatment. You don't even want to bug the phones of terrorist and you are all to quick to brush off rights violations against Christians. Should crooks have more rights than tax paying citizens?
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What violations? Where are the actual stories?
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Cap even admitted he's heard of these news stories. I'd post more info if I had it. I'm sure there some more info somewhere on the net.
These are the stories once again though.
Madison, Wis. David Ott, a former homosexual, was arrested for a "hate crime" for sharing his testimony with a homosexual at a gas station. He faced a $10,000 fine and one year behind bars. Seven thousand dollars in legal fees later, [he] was ordered to attend re-education classes at the University of Wisconsin conducted by a lesbian.
St. Petersburg, Fla. Five Christians including two pastors were arrested at a homosexual rally for stepping onto the public sidewalk instead staying caged in their officially designated "free speech zone."
Elmira, N.Y. The Elmira police arrested seven Christians for praying in a public park where a homosexual festival was getting started.
Crystal Lake, Ill. Two 16 year old girls are facing felony "hate crime" charges for the content of their flyers.
Philadelphia, Pa. Arlene Elshinnawy, a 75-year-old grandmother of three, and Linda Beckman, a 70-year-old grandmother of 10 (along with nine others), were arrested for sharing their faith on the public sidewalk.
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Try finding these actual cases-it's a stack of conservative shaded half-truths, if this stuff happened at all.
Simply talking or stepping onto a sidwalk didn't cause any arrests. There has to be more to it.
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Back that up. When have people been thrown in jail for peacefully protesting gay rights.
Well, I am a street preacher, and within that little subculture of Christianity, some of us get arrested. I have never been jailed for preaching on the streets, but I know people who have. Now the problem with that is that it's hard to say why they were actually arrested. Sometimes they were picked up for preaching , but sometimes they are just being arrested for being stupid .
Having said all that, a lot of times its the same individuals getting arrested over and over again. Thats usually a red flag that they are just being stupid.But I do personally know some people that have been arrested preaching at gay pride rallies simply because the crowd disagreed with their message. I have preached at 3 gay pride parades with no real difficulty other than a hostile audience. But at one of those events, I was told by a police officer that he was there to protect them from me.
I thought that was pretty funny.
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Ott at the gas station may have been told by the person in question to bug off, and Ott persisted, maybe even impeding the person as they tried to pump his gas.
You're assuming an awful lot there, Captain.
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And WorldNetDaily is a highly opinionated source that mixes and nixes facts and opinion as it suits them. Well, a lot of what World Net Daily does is opinion pieces by different people, and I'm not sure how or even if their editor does fact-checking, but I think any fabrication issues would be limited to certain contributors rather than a policy of the web site. But is it your position that just because it was mentioned on WND that there's a chance it might not have even happened?
And what does any of this have to do with Mitt Romney?
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Yet another example of how Kerry/Romney can't get elected. Someone starts a post with his name in it and it takes a detour through Iraq and ends up in Gay Protestville.
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I have to admit, I really like the idea of Kerry combing his hair backwards and ending up as Romney.
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Well, a lot of what World Net Daily does is opinion pieces by different people, and I'm not sure how or even if their editor does fact-checking, but I think any fabrication issues would be limited to certain contributors rather than a policy of the web site. But is it your position that just because it was mentioned on WND that there's a chance it might not have even happened?
I didn't say they made anything up. I said they mix facts and opinions. Read the pieces. The language in the articles are very one-sided and leading.
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You're assuming an awful lot there, Captain.
Not really … Ott came up to the person and didn't desist. So, he was arrested. The person has a right to pump his gas in peace. As well, the gas station owner has a right to call the police because someone is trespassing on his property and disturbing his customers.
Now, just to give you fair warning, if someone harasses me at the pump, I'll tell them I'm not interested. If they persist, I'll turn the hose on 'em.
People are allowed to live their lives in peace, whether or not an asshole believe what they are doing is wrong. Running up to a gay person on the street and preaching to them isn't exercising free speech, it's harassment.
I've seen plenty of religious folk in DC protesting gays, and I've never seen them getting hauled off to jail.
Also, Tim, I was referring to the hate crime legislation story. Not the others.
As far as the grandmother getting arrested story:
"As 75-year-old grandmother Arlene Elshinnawy's sign read before they hauled her off to jail for displaying it: "The Truth is Hate to those who Hate the Truth."
But she was not arrested for having a sign, as has been suggested, indeed the full charges, or a summary, at least can be found in a petition filed in Pennsylvania
The charges filed against Petitioners arose out of their alleged actions in the nature of “fighting, threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, making unreasonable noise with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof by protesting a gay/lesbian block party, using bullhorns, and yelling offensive messages, thereby obstructing traffic.”
Reading those one lines that Tim via WND provides, you're only get a part of the story. There's always more.
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Now, just to give you fair warning, if someone harasses me at the pump, I'll tell them I'm not interested. If they persist, I'll turn the hose on 'em.
First of all, I think that's pretty funny. Second of all, in my own dealings with people, I make it a point to be polite and respectful. I think Scripturally I am obligated to be that way. I will tell them the truth, but if they say, no thanks, I go on my merry way. I don't chase people down or harass them.
I have seen however, with my own eyes, some of my fellow street preachers obeying those very same guidelines get harassed by cops. I have seen men get arrested for 'disturbing the peace' (the charges never stick and they are usually released the next day or even later that night) while armed with only a Bible and their own voice. I have observed this while the group screaming for their arrest committed sexual acts and public nudity out in broad daylight within sight of the arresting officer. Tolerance, indeed.
It's hard to say why Arlene Elshinnawy was arrested, but I don't know many 75 year old women who get involved in "fighting, threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior". It would be interested to find out if she was ever sent to trial and how that worked out. I suspect that once she was off the scene the charges were dismissed.
I don't expect people to like my preaching. They are not supposed to. But I do have First Amendment rights that are sometimes disregarded. And I fully expect this trend to continue.
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If your church gets a permit at a park, it is yours to use. If someone shows up extolling Satan, that prson would be asked to leave
I always hope people like that will show up. A good heckler can turn a crowd of 3 into 50 in about 2 minutes. I say that half in jest, you understand.
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I'm guessing they were thrown out.
Sure, I'm sure she wasn't violent herself, but yelling, for instance, "Fags, rot in hell" is an alarming thing to say that could be construed as a threat. Even something like, "burn in hell" is.
Again, if preacher boy was in violation of group's specified area under permit, he can sit in the tank and pray ass day.
Again, if people don't want to hear a Christian message, they don't have to. And they shouldn't be made to. Expression of religion is guaranteed, but not at the expense of someone who doesn't want to hear it in their own space.
I'm sure people who don't deserve it get caught up. It happens in almost all forms of protest.
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"As 75-year-old grandmother Arlene Elshinnawy's sign read before they hauled her off to jail for displaying it: "The Truth is Hate to those who Hate the Truth."
But she was not arrested for having a sign, as has been suggested, indeed the full charges, or a summary, at least can be found in a petition filed in Pennsylvania
The charges filed against Petitioners arose out of their alleged actions in the nature of “fighting, threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, making unreasonable noise with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof by protesting a gay/lesbian block party, using bullhorns, and yelling offensive messages, thereby obstructing traffic.”
Sure pal, a 75 year old grandmother is definitely a threatening entity that I want arrested. Give me a break would you. In the old days people used to help old ladies across the street not arrest them for speaking their mind. If an old lady is a threat then I know they'd all be threatened by a man out there just speaking his peace.
I would like to know if there is any place in your mind to believe that these people could possibly just be innoccently exercising the right to free speech. Do you have to be gay or far left liberal to be in the right as far as your concerned? Pretty narrow minded view point if that's your opinion.
Better watch out old ladies the new Captain America will lock your butt up if you get rowdy. You can now join Barney Fife in cracking down on dangerous old ladies like Aunt Bee.
Preacher Man is right you tend to assume way too much. Like the formerly gay guy witnessing to the other gay guy. Do you think that maybe since he himself was once gay, he might most likely have been extremely tactful. I can see from the level of anxiety you have toward Christianity that a gay guy might freak out over the slightest mention of Jesus Christ which probably was what happened. From what I've heard he barely spoke to the guy.
People have a right to speak. You have a right to not listen. Passing out a track or asking someone if they've heard of Jesus is not threatening. It's not like the dude raised his fist and shouted at the guy.
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People make assumptions on the info given.
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Preacher Man is right you tend to assume way too much. Like the formerly gay guy witnessing to the other gay guy. Do you think that maybe since he himself was once gay, he might most likely have been extremely tactful. I can see from the level of anxiety you have toward Christianity that a gay guy might freak out over the slightest mention of Jesus Christ which probably was what happened. From what I've heard he barely spoke to the guy.
Um, that's an assumption.
I have no anxiety over Christianity. I just think most of y'all are deluded, often hypocritical and consciously ignorant.
Also, I went and found more info about some of the unsubstantiated points you made. There's not a lot of info out there, but at least I made an effort.
But if the old lady was yelling "fag" or "burn in hell" or something similar, she could be deemed threatening, at least offensive enough to be made to leave. I was just throwing out a scenario.
Please read the posts before jumping all over them.
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innoccently exercising the right to free speech
When someone wants their voice to sepercede someone else's with only the reason to shut them up, they are no longer innocent or deserving of the right-as far as I am concerned.
How many gays come into your church during a service and tell you the bible is wrong? How many atheists stand outside your supermarket with pamphlets and bullhorns trying to 'save' you?
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arrest them for speaking their mind
Nobody got arrested for speaking their mind. Look at the list.
1)fighting, threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior
2)making unreasonable noise with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm,
3)recklessly creating a risk thereof by protesting a gay/lesbian block party,
4)using bullhorns, and yelling offensive messages, thereby obstructing traffic.”
Did granny exhibit 'tumultuous' behavior, make unreasonable noise, create a risk by protesting, or obstruct traffic? Simply saying she's obviously not a brawler isn't an argument. If she did any of those, she wasn't just exercising her right to free speech and deserved that ride in the cop car. You want her excused because of her age? Why?
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I have no anxiety over Christianity. I just think most of y'all are deluded, often hypocritical and consciously ignorant.
I appreciate your honesty.
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But if the old lady was yelling "fag" or "burn in hell" or something similar, she could be deemed threatening, at least offensive enough to be made to leave. I was just throwing out a scenario. I'll go you one better. I'll say that she was going against scripture if that was her approach, but I don't know for a fact that it was.
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How many gays come into your church during a service and tell you the bible is wrong? There is a difference between a street preacher on public property doing something that has been done since the foundation of this country and beyond and what you're describing. I do know of a pastor in San Francisco that has had some disruptive activity brought into his church by the homosexual community, but by and large they don't. Neither do drunks, whoremongers and prostitutes, and I preach against all of that, so I'm not sure what the point is.
Homosexuals that I've dealt with as individuals have generally been very nice people. When you get 30 or 40 thousand of them in a group, the dynamic changes drastically.
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I appreciate your honesty.
I did say, "most."
Many of the Christians I know are fair-minded people. They have delusions, but we all do, to a degree.
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When you get 30 or 40 thousand of them in a group, the dynamic changes drastically.
Get 30 or 40 thousand of anyone together … Philadelphia Eagles fans, anyone? Yeesh …
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Or for that matter, Raiders fans. I lived in San Diego for 9 years and every time the Raiders played the Chargers at Jack Murphy Stadium, somebody got stabbed.
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