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| Posted: 03 Oct 2007 22:07 |
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Thank me later!
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 15:50 |
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Ok, nice video, I've seen that movie before somewhere, I know that whole line about the pellet in the pistol, malice in the palice, oh forget it.
Now CA I've went over this with pak before, and I don't know where I posted it.
Let's take the saving the christmas tree link posted there http://www.mauinews.com/story.aspx?id=26128 on that page.
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County workers raised a festive tree at the Kalana O Maui Building Wednesday with just five days to go before Christmas, after receiving a letter from the American Civil Liberties Union warning that the existing holiday display of a Hanukkah menorah was unconstitutional. The letter threatened a federal lawsuit if the display was not corrected.
We Christians don't need Jewish symbols attacked to make us feel good. Again they went overboard. It's like they are the holiday decoration police here. Moronic is what it is.
There are a few good examples here, but the thing is ACLU might do one thing in one region and something totally different in another.
Oh pak, this one seems to contradict the aclu's stand on the high school student thanking God at graduation.
http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/20174prs20050920.html In this similiar case it sounds like they are on my side.
"There is a distinction between speech by a school and speech by individual students," said ACLU of New Jersey cooperating attorney Jennifer Klear of Drinker, Biddle & Reath in New York City. "The Constitution protects a student's individual right to express herself, including the right to express herself religiously."
To say there's no merit to the fact that the aclu has attacked Christianity over the years is very wrong however. As I said, and pak knows the one I'm talking about, the aclu sided against a graduating student for thanking God in her graduation speech contradicting the above stance.
It was the ACLU that started the monkey trial to fight to teach evolution in school. Now thanks to pak i've seen clips from the movie based on this called "Inherit the Wind". There on here somewhere. I've noticed that in that trial according the movie the aclu lawyer indicated they just wanted evolution taught along with creationism to allow men to think freely. Well we know how that ended up. Now they got it illegal to teach creationism at all. I'd say that was rather deceptive wouldn't you. What happened to free thought? See they start out in history at one point with what seems like a reasonable goal, and then keep going till they reach the real objective which in this case was to rid schools of creationism altogether.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 16:36 |
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No, the route they were going in Maui was consistent in that the menorah alone endorsed a specific religion and by adding the Christmas tree, it gave it a modicum of inclusion.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 17:03 |
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I call it nit picking America to death.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 17:06 |
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I call it nit picking America to death.
That can apply both ways, my friend.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 19:26 |
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Name one instance where I propose being nit picky on government property.
You originally said, "America." If you believe all of America is government property, you are a communist.
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 00:41 |
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Name one instance where I propose being nit picky on government property.
The plaque with the 10 commandments in a courthouse.
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this one seems to contradict the aclu's stand on the high school student thanking God at graduation.
Nope. Not even close.
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Because the school left the choice of songs up to each individual student, the ACLU said, no reasonable observer would have believed that the school endorsed the content of each student's selection.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 00:44 |
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You originally said, "America." If you believe all of America is government property, you are a communist.
You are nitpicky even with wording.
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The plaque with the 10 commandments in a courthouse. No you are the one being nit picky or otherwise you wouldn't care to leave them up in one lone court house in alabama.
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Nope. Not even close. I give up there's no hope for you. If I said Darth Vader was in a black costume you'd say it was pink.
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 00:45 |
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the aclu sided against a graduating student for thanking God in her graduation speech contradicting the above stance.
The school decided, in accordance with two previous court cases, they had the right to tell that girl not to do that speech. The school was right. The girl agreed not to do it, and on graduation day, did it anyway. The girl was wrong.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 15:55 |
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It was her speech, and it was the other girl's song. What's the difference?
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It was her speech, and it was the other girl's song. What's the difference?
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Because the school left the choice of songs up to each individual student, the ACLU said, no reasonable observer would have believed that the school endorsed the content of each student's selection.
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The school decided, in accordance with two previous court cases, they had the right to tell that girl not to do that speech. The school was right. The girl agreed not to do it, and on graduation day, did it anyway. The girl was wrong.
What part of this is not clear?
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 06 Oct 2007 00:41 |
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You are nitpicky even with wording.
Why is it, that when we discuss the seperation of church and state you want to only adhere to the specific wording of the document while in every other facet of the founding fathers that you think you have a point on we have to read between the lines and understand their motivation and realize 'what they really meant'? Also explain how 'Thou shalt not kill' can be just tossed on a whim. Don't criticize anyone else for wordplay on here Tim, you are hands down the worst.
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No you are the one being nit picky or otherwise you wouldn't care to leave them up in one lone court house in alabama.
This is similar to deciding that overlooking a commandment is ok just because you feel like it. Why should that courthouse not have to follow the law that every other courthouse does?
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 06 Oct 2007 16:55 |
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Why is it, that when we discuss the seperation of church and state you want to only adhere to the specific wording of the document while in every other facet of the founding fathers Because wording is everything in interpreting someones meaning. Anything else is making it up to suit your own agenda.
I was talking about nit picking the american people to death with stupid rediculous rules to please political agendas or just to be a pain in the rear. I'm like Clint Eastwood, I want a government that just sort of leaves folks alone.
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This is similar to deciding that overlooking a commandment is ok just because you feel like it. Why should that courthouse not have to follow the law that every other courthouse does?
hey why stop there, why don't we hire the aclu to go into government buildings looking for any and all religious infractions. Let's make sure none of the workers brought their bible, or have any religious pin on their clothing. Let's make sure there is absolutely no indication there is a God in the consciousness of the American people at all. Why not? The goverment is God, right? We might offend somebody. Heck we need some police to go into every building looking for something that might offend people too. Now I see the light, thanks.
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| Posted: 06 Oct 2007 23:33 |
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Now I see the light, thanks
You still don't get it.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
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| Posted: 08 Oct 2007 18:41 |
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I get individualism and liberty.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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