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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 16:26 Last Edited By: Tim |
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There is fresh evidence, if any more were needed, that excessive borrowing during the Bush years will make the nation poorer.
I agree that Bush spent too much. He is currently under attack right now for not wanting to spend so much on this healthcare thing. He can't win for losing.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 16:58 |
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No, he's under pressure for borrowing money (mostly to pay for his war) and running up the deficit to foreign countries. The children's health bill was to be funded through a tax on tobacco.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 18:42 |
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So apparently- my losing streak is over. Smoking children break even.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 19:28 |
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Speaking of smoking, you all know in TN now they can take someone's car if they have more than 20 something cartons of smokes in their car. The taxes are lower in the next state and a lot of folks have been trying to avoid it, but the law won't have it.
Now I'm really against smoking, but this concerns me, because what's next. You can't buy food from another state? Or maybe they'll start coming after us for buying things on the web. They came after my friend for that tax money even though as I found out by lots of research on state sites that there is no legal tax as of yet on goods bought on the net.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 19:35 |
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There are also laws forbidding underage people from crossing state lines to have abortions, when the state that they are from demands parental consent.
Same difference.
Now, back to the original point of the post …
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 19:45 |
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Huh?
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 19:46 |
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I'm saying that there are laws not allowing someone to violate one state's laws from another state.
But, what do you think about the original point of the post?
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 19:48 Last Edited By: Tim |
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I try to have a real conversation here and you dis me. I feel like granny on the beverly hillbillies must have felt when she tried to make friends with snooty mrs. drysdale on the beverly hillbillies. I'm liable to start waving the confederate flag and fetching my shotgun in a minute.
I'm not saying I look like granny either. I know what your thinking you dang yankee. Try being friendly some times.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 19:50 |
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But, what do you think about the original point of the post? I said Bush spent too much. from what I know about the healthcare thing it's very very expensive and takes care of more than just poor kids.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 19:51 |
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Try being friendly some times.
Geez, Mr. Sensitive, how was I being unfriendly?
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 19:59 |
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takes care of more than just poor kids.
See, that's the president's inaccurate assessment of the plan. Even Chuck Grassley, not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination, says the president is way off base. The plan seeks to insure children in families below the poverty line, but who make too much for Medicaid.
Also, my post was being typed as you posted your post. Doh!
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 20:05 |
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Oh hate that.
Ok, well I don't know the particulars specifically, but I'd say from the amount they want to spend that it would tend to lend itself toward federalizing medicine. If in fact they plan to run it off of cigerette money, then they need another law to make sure they stick to that. You know how it is. They get it started and then they cry they don't have enough money to keep going so now we need to raise other taxes. I don't trust politicians farther than I can throw Ted Kennedy.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 20:09 |
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The plan is the cig money. Yes, we've had a rash of spending bills under Bush and the GOP Congress in which they borrowed to pay and pillaged Social Security and Medicare.
Clinton and the GOP Congress implemented and stuck to a pay-as-you-go system. Bush scrapped that. I would like us to return to it.
I also know we are going to have to pay off our debts, which are owed to foreign governments. That's gonna be a beast.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 20:11 |
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Well look I agree republicans need to get back to the spending controls of the old days. You know with politics I'd much rather argue over principles than who did what where. It's much easier to defend ideology than political candidates.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 20:16 |
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It's much easier to defend ideology than political candidates.
Right, but we're not going to mover each other on ideology. But we can identify specific problems (and their causes), then we can debate ways to fix them. Easier debates don't necessarily yield results or new ideas.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 20:27 |
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It's better to know where the person stands and why they stand that way before you get into how to fix things though. The facts seem to be skewered in the direction the person is leaning sorry but especially so in liberals.
Like this rush phoney soldier bit. That was such a cop out to have the senate attacking rush on a sound byte. What a waste of time, and it wasn't even in context.
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 20:31 |
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The facts seem to be skewered in the direction the person is leaning sorry but especially so in liberals.
There you go again. And you're wrong. You really tend to only see "wrongs" when they committed by liberals, but give your side a pass.
Actually, listening to the whole rush bit (not the edited version) i think he was referring to soldiers who didn't agree with his stand. Why else would he edit out a minute and a half of his transcript when he sent the tape to Armed Forces Radio.
But, frankly, Rush saying something stupid? That's his job. The outrage mongers are irritating.
Anyway, I'm out …
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| Posted: 04 Oct 2007 21:51 |
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You really tend to only see "wrongs" when they committed by liberals, but give your side a pass. Maybe I have a tendency to see wrong doing period from any side as liberal.
On the Rush thing, though if he really believed that soldiers against Iraq were phoney, seems like he would say it again. Why would he back down? The dems in congress don't ever like anything he has to say anyway, so why worry it about it now. Plus the fact he lives on controversy.
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On the Rush issue, not only was I listening to the show when the comment was made, but anybody is able to go onto his website and read the transcript of what was actually said. It mystifies me that so-called journalists are so far unable or unwilling to do even the most basic of research in this matter. They are practicing truth by repetition.
On an unrelated note, I was privy to some conversations with the leadership of the local Democratic Party in my county today, and let em say to all of your credit, that the most left-leaning, commie-loving person here is both more rational and more lucid than any of the Dem leadership in my county. Not to mention geenrally more polite.
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| Posted: 08 Oct 2007 18:54 |
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Political and journalistic integrity is taking a back seat to cheap attacks and theatrics. To fabricate facts without trying to back them up is rediculous and irresponsible for a news organization and for the dems in congress. How can they possibly expect people to trust them if they lie so readily?
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Well maybe I'm a little sensitive.
