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Quote: He told Piers Morgan that abortion was “a choice that that family or that mother has to make,” and “not me as president. Not some politician. Not some bureaucrat.” He later insisted he wasn’t changing his pro-life position.
Gordon concedes this was a misstep—Cain was “really tired” in the midst of seven interviews that day, he says—but defends the candidate’s language. “He didn’t say anything that was inconsistent with his beliefs. But he was taken out of context by people who want to distort it for political gain.”
Cain told Wolf Blitzer after the recent Israeli-Palestinian prisoner exchange that he’d consider trading hundreds of Gitmo detainees for one U.S. soldier, but later walked it back. That was a mistake Cain would not have made “if he’d been rested,” Gordon says. “Mr. Cain was only going on about four hours’ sleep. He did correct it right away—he would not negotiate with terrorists.”
The bumbling didn’t end there. Cain said he was joking about wanting to build an electrified border fence that would kill illegal immigrants, but then said he wanted a fence and, well, it could be electrified. He struggled to defend his 9-9-9 plan against widespread criticism that it would raise taxes on most people who aren’t rich before modifying the proposal to make exceptions for the poor.
So he has been going on little sleep. Either that or they read my post and thought it was a good excuse.
Back to the Turkey guy, so basically what I'm getting at is even if he does attack Obama it's only because the most liberal President of all time isn't liberal enough for him which really is insane.
Taxes aren't high enough according to Turkey. That's one I remember him attacking Obama for.
Basically, other than possible agreements on the performance of a debate I bet there's very little that I would ever agree with the Young Turkey. He's basically a socialist bordering on communist big government loving hippie from the wrong decade. He just needs his peace beads and Beatles records and he's all set. __________________
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Does calling him a turkey make you feel better or something?
Quote: even if he does attack Obama it's only because the most liberal President of all time isn't liberal enough for him which really is insane.
You're ignoring an awful lot to paint Obama as the most liberal anything. Reagan and Lincoln were more 'liberal' than Obama.
What Cenk will usually attack him for is going back on his campaign promises or acting on the behalf of the banks or corporations to the detriment of people who think it means something to belong to a political party, in this case, the democrats.
Quote: Taxes aren't high enough according to Turkey. That's one I remember him attacking Obama for.
Cenk has never attacked Obama for just wanting higher taxes that I'm aware of. Maybe you can share where you heard/saw this?
Quote: He's basically a socialist bordering on communist big government loving hippie from the wrong decade. He just needs his peace beads and Beatles records and he's all set.
Character assassination FTW.
So, if an idea presented by someone is bad or wrong in your opinion, instead of addressing where you disagree or offering any counterpoints, just talking smack about what you imagine they are and grade school playground level name calling are a good substitute by you?
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Quote: Either that or they read my post and thought it was a good excuse.
That's a shame they missed my post then. It's not a good excuse for someone campaigning for the office of the President. It's not even a good excuse for someone shilling their books on a book tour while pretending to run for the office. __________________
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Quote: Does calling him a turkey make you feel better or something?
Yeah, it kind of does.
Quote: Reagan and Lincoln were more 'liberal' than Obama.
I never remember Reagan or Lincoln every mentioning gay marriage, or attacking capitalism.
Quote: Cenk has never attacked Obama for just wanting higher taxes that I'm aware of. Maybe you can share where you heard/saw this?
It was one of the videos you posted under Obama's Scrapbook. I'll never find it again though. I tried to see if I could remember which one it was. He went off all mad because Obama wouldn't raise taxes.
Quote: , just talking smack about what you imagine they are and grade school playground level name calling are a good substitute by you?
That's basically what they do so I'm not sure what the difference is. I can't get past all the young turks smurking and attitude half the time to ever see his point.
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Quote: I never remember Reagan or Lincoln every mentioning gay marriage, or attacking capitalism.
Is being 'liberal' really only those two things to you?
Immaterial, but you probably forget the end of slavery and how many times Reagan raised taxes when it suits you as well. Just sayin'...
Quote: He went off all mad because Obama wouldn't raise taxes.
I'm certain that's not an accurate summary of his position. I hope you find that clip.
Quote: I can't get past all the young turks smurking and attitude half the time to ever see his point.
That sounds like you're not getting the message at all because you're focusing on the reporter instead of the report. I can't expect you to like someone who is seemingly your polar opposite politically, and even I don't agree with Cenk on a number of issues, but when I disagree I can generally pick out what is being said specifically and say why I disagree. I pretty much despise Billo, but the same thing applies; I get past the loathing and I listen to what's being said and I can usually go point by point and say whether or not I agree with each part. If Cenk's points are so odious on their own merits and not just because you don't like Cenk, then you should be able to counter them yourself. You're a smart person Tim; I know you can do this. __________________
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Introducing Herman Cain's Nein Nein Nein plan:
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Quote: Is being 'liberal' really only those two things to you?
Being liberal covers social policies as well as economic just like the term conservative. You can be liberal or conservative in either or both categories I guess. Even I'm not conservative in every issue at least in the minds of some people. I bet Rush Limbaugh might disagree with me on what I think about smoking and health policies in this country.
Quote: you probably forget the end of slavery and how many times Reagan raised taxes when it suits you as well. Just sayin
We could go into that, but you have to remember there is a whole big story behind those tax raises and those raises weren't what got America going again.
And slavery ending I would consider a conservative choice which was done by a republican no less. The point of conservatism today is that liberal policies make slaves of us all to the federal government. So conservatism is about freedom. __________________
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Quote: but you have to remember there is a whole big story behind those tax raises
A whole big story about Reagan's tax increases? Remind me.
Quote: And slavery ending I would consider a conservative choice which was done by a republican no less.
If being conservative is in any way about preserving tradition, then abolishing slavery was in no way conservative and while I have no unkind words about that particular republican, all accounts state that this change was against his wants and wishes.
Quote: The point of conservatism today is that liberal policies make slaves of us all to the federal government.
When did it stop being about God and guns? That sounds more like the point of being Libertarian than the blanket term of conservative. They do overlap certainly, but the lines are beginning to blur here.
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I'm good, and I'm glad you're taking steps with these people. Maybe make the first few posts by a new account have to be approved, if not by you then a moderator? __________________
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Quote: I'm good, and I'm glad you're taking steps with these people. Maybe make the first few posts by a new account have to be approved, if not by you then a moderator?
Maybe some time we'll have to change over to a more secure script if you don't care too much to re-register. Just a thought. Be a while yet. Not sure though that any system can be completely spam free, but maybe there's something that would give me more choices to fight spam with.
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Al Sharpton slams Herman Cain for ‘hypocrisy’ for double standard on racism claims.
Quote: The Rev. Al Sharpton Tuesday accused presidential hopeful Herman Cain of hypocrisy for downplaying racism in America - while blaming race for his growing sexual harassment scandal.
“I think it’s the height of hypocrisy for Herman Cain to say three weeks ago that race was no longer a major factor in this country,” Sharpton told the Daily News. “Now that he's a target, he gets on Fox and says ‘Yes, race has something to do with it.’”
Sharpton ripped Cain a day after a fourth woman came forward and said the former pizza CEO had made inappropriate sexual advances.
Sharon Bialek, the first Cain accuser to identify herself, said Monday that the businessman shoved his hand up her skirt and pulled her head toward his crotch during a 1997 encounter.
“So let me get this right: there is no racism for those that are disproportionately unemployed or disproportionately incarcerated,” Sharpton said following an unrelated City Hall press conference, “but it’s race if four women come forward and say you allegedly harassed them?”
Sharpton called Cain’s use of the race card as “disingenuous,” adding: “You can’t have it both ways.”
Cain strenuously denies the allegations, saying Monday that “there’s not an ounce of truth in all these accusations.”
He also told Fox News recently that he thought race played a role in the decision to take the claims public.
“I believe the answer is yes, but we do not have any evidence to support it,” said Cain, who accused his rivals of fueling the scandal. “I’m a black conservative, and it is causing their heads to explode.”
But Cain struck a different tone in the weeks before the women started to come forward.
“I don't believe racism in this country today holds anybody back in a big way,” Cain told CNN in October.
He said African Americans had been “brainwashed” to vote for Democrats and downplayed President Obama’s mixed-race heritage.
Sexual harassment charges against Cain first surfaced a week ago with reports that two women received five-figure settlements from the National Restaurant Association when Cain led in the organization in the 1990s. A third woman, who has declined to be publicly identified, also said Cain made a pass at her.
Cain, whose poll numbers have started to sag as new accusations emerged, was set to address the scandal late Tuesday.
Sharpton did not say that Cain should drop out of the race but insisted the candidate be completely truthful about the alleged incidents.
“He went from ‘I don’t know what you’re talking about’ to ‘I hope it wasn’t much of a settlement’ to a variety of stories, including saying it were the liberals being racist,” said Sharpton.
“He needs to come totally and clearly clean as to what happened and what did not happen,” Sharpton said.
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A more saliant point might how does his status as a Harasser even if it is true effect his ability to be president. Bill Clinton certainly crossed the line there, but was without a doubt a skilled leader (even if you disagree with what he did he got things done).
Simply put, I don't think charges like this get leveled unless the guy was being inappropriate, the latest charge could be made of whole cloth, but the primary facts, that questions were raised and a payout was given suggest that even if a reasonable person might not find it to be sexual harrassment it was in a grey enough area to warrant a settlement.
Very similar charges to the sexual assault claim were leveled (and un provably) against Clinton by people. So it's hard to say one needs to take it at face value, or that it is certainly true or certainly false.
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Quote: Bill Clinton certainly crossed the line there, but was without a doubt a skilled leader
I've always thought Bill Clinton was a skilled BSer myself. I can never take him seriously. He's the guy at work that really does nothing but gets all the credit because he says he did a good job over and over again while the quiet guy who did the work gets none of the credit or the raise.
You know I think it's interesting about the Cain chick fiasco is that nobody says he actually had sex with any of these women. I suppose that could be proven with DNA evidence. Something to ponder. __________________
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Quote: I've always thought Bill Clinton was a skilled BSer myself. I can never take him seriously. He's the guy at work that really does nothing but gets all the credit because he says he did a good job over and over again while the quiet guy who did the work gets none of the credit or the raise...
Well arguably that is the definition of a good leader. However, the reality is, he lead his party, got legislation through (not everything he wanted but got a lot) and pushed his agenda forward for the country (whether you think that was for the good or ill is irrelevant he did it, by that same notion George W. Bush was an even more competant leader)
Quote: You know I think it's interesting about the Cain chick fiasco is that nobody says he actually had sex with any of these women. I suppose that could be proven with DNA evidence. Something to ponder.
Well sex isn't the question, it's actually the issue of whether or not he engaged in quid pro quo sexual harrassment (in his most public accuser's case that is exactly what he is accuesed of) or hostile work place harrassment (which is the suggestion though no facts have been offered for the other cases as yet).
With Clinton the actual charge leveled against him was I believe a hostile work place claim (although there might have been some issues about disperate treatement as well). THere were later issues much like Cain's latest accuser where there were suggestions of sexual assault leveled against Clinton, but in general those were outside the actual legal case against him.
I don't know if this will hurt Cain, the reality is, those most inclined to believe sexual harrassment charges are manufactured torts are likely to be in the republican camp, so he may be able to play this to his advantage, but as he is an unskilled politician by most assessments he may not have the ability to really play this at all.
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This is part of what is bothering me lately. Republicans get pounced on like sharks waiting for blood for any mess up while the great one Obama can stumble and fall all day long and it's completely ignored. Nobody says look Obama goofed he's not fit to be President.
Nobody seems to take into account these guys are out there talking and talking and talking some more on 3 hours sleep every night. It's a miracle they don't mess up more than they do. On the other hand Obama has taken more vacations than any President in the last 100 years. __________________
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Great example:
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This may seem quaint to other people who might also be clueless about foreign policy but it is unacceptable in a Presidential candidate- you should be able to at least fake your way through at this level-and even Palin outskills this guy in that department.
Stick a fork in him and wrap it up already. This is not the GOP candidate unless you really want to hand Obama the second term on a silver platter. __________________
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However, the reality is, he lead his party, got legislation through (not everything he wanted but got a lot) and pushed his agenda forward for the country (whether you think that was for the good or ill is irrelevant he did it, by that same notion George W. Bush was an even more competant leader)
