But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 12 Oct 2011 17:44
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This guy's a big lib.
Robert Bernard Reich born June 24, 1946) is an American political economist, professor, author, and political commentator. He served in the administrations of Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter and was Secretary of Labor under President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1997. Suprised he worked for Ford, but he didn't exactly have a glowingly successful conservative term in the White House. Ford was though just a little before my political recollections.
He was appointed a member of President-elect Barack Obama's economic transition advisory board.
In short most of his life has been spent working for liberal Presidents so it's no surprise he denounces the policies of Ronald Reagan and embraces liberal ones.
It was Reagan's policies that got America going again despite Reich's former boss Jimmy Carter's failure to lead America economically. Those times of course were a lot like now with the failure of Obama to lead us out of the economic despair we're in now. Carter like Obama has been on record blaming America instead of themselves. __________________
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Posted: 12 Oct 2011 20:56
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Let's see. The economist makes seven specific arguments, that each of the following are lies, and gives a short reason backing up his argument on each:
Quote: Tax cuts for the rich trickle down to everyone else.
Higher taxes on the rich would hurt the economy and slow job growth.
Shrinking government generates more jobs.
Cutting the budget deficit now is more important than boosting the economy.
Medicare and Medicaid are the major drivers of budget deficits.
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.
It’s unfair that lower-income Americans don’t pay income tax.
Instead of responding to those arguments, or the reasoning behind any of them, you go the route of ad hominem with how he's a lib (BTW, is that supposed to be an insult?), as though being a lib is a good enough reason to completely ignore everything said. That's not a failure on his part. That's a failure on you. If you can't refute what's been said, then it doesn't guarantee he's right, but he would be righter than you. If you can't even face what's being said to contend with it, that's even worse. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 13 Oct 2011 14:50
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Being a lib means everything that proceeds is usually false or misleading. They tend to only focus on the data that makes them sound like they know what they are saying. Besides there are probably a bunch of other youtube videos out there that will say the exact opposite of this guy from a conservative view point.
I could tell you why I personally don't believe any thing this guy believes is true, but then you'd probably say it didn't count because I don't have access to statistics to back it up, and I sure don't have time to scour the net.
I will say again I was alive when Reagan was President, and everything he did the liberals complained about, but the country was a heck of a lot better of after 8 years of him than 4 years of Carter. I still remember how the libs cried he was starving the world and on and on they went as to completely ignore the economic despair Jimmy Carter had laid upon this country.
Libs want more taxes and bigger government. They think government can solve all the woes of man, but they're wrong. Big government is the problem. __________________
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Posted: 13 Oct 2011 21:04
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Quote: Being a lib means everything that proceeds is usually false or misleading.
I'm going to use this same type of response when you post things from Fox News from now on. They lie and distort absolutely everything, and this saves me the time of having to think or reason through what I actually believe and I'll never have to face the possibility of being wrong again. Thanks Tim.
Quote: I could tell you why I personally don't believe any thing this guy believes is true
Lucky for us, you're conveniently in a forum to do so.
Quote: but then you'd probably say it didn't count because I don't have access to statistics to back it up, and I sure don't have time to scour the net.
Forgive me for liking facts over make believe. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 14 Oct 2011 20:17
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Quote: I'm going to use this same type of response when you post things from Fox News from now on
I thought you did already.
Let's take one thing real quick.
Quote: It’s unfair that lower-income Americans don’t pay income tax.
His basis of fair or unfair is completely personal opinion. I consider fair as this. Everybody has the same opportunity, the right to pursue happiness not the guarantee. I sure don't believe in stealing greater percentages from what the libs consider lucky or crooked rich to make my life better. I'll take that responsibility to make my life better on to myself and all the blame for my failures on to myself thank you very much. __________________
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Posted: 14 Oct 2011 21:26
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You still ignore what was said even when supposedly addressing it directly. His actual argument is along the same lines as what Matches was explaining when we debated over the Fair Tax recently:
Quote: The poor pay a much larger portion of their incomes out to Social Security taxes, income taxes, user fees and tolls than everyone else.
This is based on actual numbers and events. Either he's right or wrong in this. Instead of addressing this at all though, you went off-roading.
Quote: His basis of fair or unfair is completely personal opinion.
So is mine and yours. Wasn't a need to post this.
Quote: Everybody has the same opportunity, the right to pursue happiness not the guarantee.
Sounds good and it would be wonderful if it actually worked that way too. Tell me, if a person is born into a wealthy family and another is born into a poor family and they both have the same idea of happiness to pursue, do they actually have the same opportunities? Go ahead and run with that one.
Quote: I sure don't believe in stealing greater percentages from what the libs consider lucky or crooked rich to make my life better.
So you feel better stealing from those who have less to spare in the first place? Is that your argument? Or that the poor should take whatever scraps they can get in exchange for whatever they get taken from them and be satisfied? Is that your argument?
Quote: I'll take that responsibility to make my life better on to myself and all the blame for my failures on to myself thank you very much.
Let's take a larger percentage of your income than everyone else and see what's what then. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 17 Oct 2011 17:44
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Quote: Tell me, if a person is born into a wealthy family and another is born into a poor family and they both have the same idea of happiness to pursue, do they actually have the same opportunities?
They have the same freedom from the government to pursue their goals. The means must be provided by themselves or in this case relatives. It's not the government's job to give us our pursuits, but give us the environment to pursue those dreams. That is a free safe environment where the law doesn't arrest you for say opening up a store, or have so many regulations the poor guy couldn't afford to open his store even if he had some money saved up. __________________
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Posted: 17 Oct 2011 17:47
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Quote: So you feel better stealing from those who have less to spare in the first place? Is that your argument?
I feel better if everybody paid the same percentage. You forget that the rich would still pay more actual dollars even if they paid the same percentage as the middle class. That is of course if we got rid of all the loopholes in the tax code or at least simplified them a great deal. __________________
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Posted: 17 Oct 2011 20:46
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Quote: The poor pay a much larger portion of their incomes out to Social Security taxes, income taxes, user fees and tolls than everyone else.
I'll give you one more opportunity to show how that is wrong, since that was what you first implied while you danced around it.
Quote: They have the same freedom from the government to pursue their goals.
That so? Since you're a fan of Stossel, enjoy and rethink your stance here, especially after quoting Reagan on how 'big government is the problem'.
Quote: I feel better if everybody paid the same percentage.
Let me know how you propose to have that happen realistically. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
