Quote: Frank Miller, the legenday comic artist behind Sin City, 300, and The Dark Knight Returns unloaded on the Wall Street protesters in a recent blog post, and plenty of his fans are firing back.
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First, the blog post. In a long statement posted on his website, titled "Anarchy," Miller says he has decided to say what others are "too damn polite" to say:
The “Occupy” movement, whether displaying itself on Wall Street or in the streets of Oakland (which has, with unspeakable cowardice, embraced it) is anything but an exercise of our blessed First Amendment. “Occupy” is nothing but a pack of louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness. These clowns can do nothing but harm America.
“Occupy” is nothing short of a clumsy, poorly-expressed attempt at anarchy, to the extent that the “movement” – HAH! Some “movement”, except if the word “bowel” is attached - is anything more than an ugly fashion statement by a bunch of iPhone, iPad wielding spoiled brats who should stop getting in the way of working people and find jobs for themselves.
For fans who don't share his politics, including writers and comic book artists, the anti-Occupy screed is only the latest letdown. "So we've reached the point where 'Insane, even for Frank Miller' is a thing," the journalist Spencer Ackerman tweeted.
I'm not an expert on the Occupy Wallstreet Thing, but my first impression would probably coincide with Frank Miller's take. What kind of irritates me is that comics have gone so liberal that they personally attack a guy for voicing his opinion if that opinion is conservative.
I hope people don't start knocking Frank Miller's work just because they don't agree with his politics. Personally, I'm a fan of his Daredevil stuff for the most part. Not that much into Sin City or anything like that. Saw that movie with my wife and she still gets grossed out when we even mention it. But over the years Miller has put out some really good stuff even if I don't necessarily love all of it. I'm not that crazy that he uses gd all the time, but still the point being let his work stand alone and respect the guy's right to have his own opinion. It's the American way. If Miller was throwing around super liberal comments nobody would say anything at least in the comics community.
Now Batman himself speaks out to a crowd of Occupy Wallstreeters!
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The Occupy crowd has every justification to nail him for his comments. It comes from the same place that allowed him to make those comments in the first place. __________________
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Posted: 17 Nov 2011 18:02
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I've read that the occupy wall street crowd goes around breaking into private property like church property. They sound like thugs the kind that superheroes usually beat upside the head.
Plus I've read comments against Frank Miller on comicbookmovie.com and those idiots do nothing but sound off hate speech at Miller for daring to have an opinion other than theirs. Seriously, all you read is f%^$ Miller, F him F him, blah blah blah. These guys don't know what the heck they support other than you better be on their side or else they hate you. That's a thug mentality.
Mark Millar a liberal had this to say, and I can respect his view point even if he is a liberal.
Quote: It’s strange to watch your favourite writer getting strips torn off him for a couple of days.
Politically, I disagree with his analysis, but that’s besides the point. I wasn’t shocked by his comments because they’re no different from a lot of commentators I’ve seen discussing the subject. What shocked me was the vitriol against him, the big bucket of shit poured over the head by even fellow comic-book creators for saying what was on his mind.
Obviously, it’s within their rights to exercise the First Amendment as much as it was within Frank’s to make the original point. But there’s something so distasteful about that cyber-mob mentality that revolts me. It’s not just that I like the guy, that his body of work is among the best the industry has ever seen. It’s the GLEE I’m seeing from some people and, worse, the calls I’ve seen to boycott his work because his perspective on a point differs from yours and mine.
I’m reminded of the time, in the heated period leading up to the Gulf War, when over a thousand people signed a cyber-petition to have me fired from Marvel because I disagreed with the war in Iraq as a response to 9/11. Bill Jemas, quite bravely, bounced this back saying that one of the things he liked about America is that you can say what you like without fear that you’re going to lose your job. Liberalism doesn’t mean throwing guys in jail who DISAGREE with your liberalism. It means accepting that society is richer when everybody has a voice. Starting economic sanctions against a writer until they shut up and agree with you is horrific.
I dunno. I just hate a mob. I think it demeans us. I also hate a bandwagon and would urge my fellow left-wing readers to boycott Miller no less than HP Lovecraft, Steve Ditko, David Mamet or any other writer who might not share my personal philosophy, but who’s work I’m happy to have on my shelves.
All that's going to happen with hate speech is both sides are going to get pissed and people are going to get hurt. Policies should be based on votes not fear of getting attacked by thugs.
Quote: FU*&&* this old washed up piece of no1 - he says go out n find a job when there are no jobs u F**&^ HACK!
I blocked out the f word of course.
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Quote: It's unfortunate, for such a briliant writer he is such a piece of sht
Quote: I forgot to add...F@ck You Frank Miller! I will never support anything else you have anything to do with. It's the very people who you a deriding, who make you who you are a$$hole. You think it's the Wall Street and Elite politicians that buys your work, and goes out to see your movies? As if you'll ever see this on a REAL comic book fan site anyway...DOOSH!
One last thought from me my own personal opinion is that riots and marches shouldn't be a groups first procedure to changing policies anyway. If they have so many supporters then write their opinions on blogs, go on TV, write articles in newspapers, and by all means go vote, but trashing public property. No that's most definitely not the way to get heard. Oh we hear the real message of lawlessness, but it's not one I would want to get behind. __________________
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Quote: I've read that the occupy wall street crowd goes around breaking into private property like church property.
Where'd you hear that?
Quote: Seriously, all you read is f%^$ Miller, F him F him, blah blah blah.
They feel like he spit on them so they spit back. What's the problem?
Quote: One last thought from me my own personal opinion is that riots and marches shouldn't be a groups first procedure to changing policies anyway. If they have so many supporters then write their opinions on blogs, go on TV, write articles in newspapers, and by all means go vote, but trashing public property. No that's most definitely not the way to get heard. Oh we hear the real message of lawlessness, but it's not one I would want to get behind.
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Which reminds me do you see the Tea Party running around raping people, and running over churches? Nope.
All this stuff is in the news. Surely, you've saw some of the same headlines I have.
The Wallstreeters are expecting free hand outs from the government that's what they are really after. If they really wanted to make a difference with Wall Street they pick companies they thought were doing wrong and boycott their products. Money talks. __________________
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But back to Frank, how is it so hard not to go after someone on a personal level. Miller did pick one particular person and just go on a rampage saying f that guy, but they are going after him for basically having an opinion.
They act like thugs therefore they are thugs. Batman would beat the crap out of them. __________________
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Quote: All this stuff is in the news. Surely, you've saw some of the same headlines I have.
Try actually reading the stories. There were alleged murders and suicides attributed to the protests by some bloggers and other media; those could be the work of agents provacateur that we know are working in the midst of the protests. The accounts of 'rape' are also all alleged and appear to be blown out of proportion by the media which could probably be best described as creating their own job security while trying to profit off the sensationalism. One lunatic groping somebody doesn't make the whole protest a Roman Orgy.
When did breaking into a parking lot become 'rolling over' a church, by the way?
Quote: The Wallstreeters are expecting free hand outs from the government that's what they are really after.
Bullshit.
Quote: If they really wanted to make a difference with Wall Street they pick companies they thought were doing wrong and boycott their products.
Whoa. Slow down tiger. We don't want to cause a panic with a boycott. Somebody might get hurt doing all that effortless and non-effective nothing.
Quote: Miller did pick one particular person and just go on a rampage saying f that guy, but they are going after him for basically having an opinion.
They're using the hate speech, which occurred only after he called them 'louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness and clowns and pond scum and losers'?
He berates them for 'spewing their political garbage' while spewing his own.
Instead of focusing on actual troubles at home like the occupy crowd he instead wants to focus on Al-Qaeda and 'Islamism', whatever the hell that is, and somehow he's superior?
Let's be clear. Everything that happens at those protests isn't defensible. If there are rapes and murders and destruction of property and anything above civil disobedience in any order of magnitude, then the individuals responsible should be locked up and tried and penalized appropriately, certainly. There's no excuse for any of that.
The problem here is, that you don't know for sure how true that these allegations are, or if the people doing the actual criminal activity are not plants in the crowd and frankly if you're willing to give Herman Cain the shadow of doubt after four separate women have come forward, but hold the occupy group's feet to the fire after a bunch of bloggers make some assertions, then you're as full of crap as Frank Miller.
Let's go a step further. Let's say there are some bad apples in the crowd, and they're not undercover reporters or police officers. Are we actually supposed to paint the entire crowd guilt by association? The tea party people didn't like that too much when Jared Lee Loughner went on his little mini mall shooting spree with his only motivation being what the tea party crowd was spewing. Jared Lee Loughner does not represent the whole of tea party group any more than a groper represents the whole of the occupy group or the Westboro Baptist Church represents all of Christianity.
Quote: Batman would beat the crap out of them.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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In the meantime:
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Quote: Which reminds me do you see the Tea Party running around raping people, and running over churches? Nope.
Funny enough, the tea party is an occupation unto themselves.
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Quote: Whoa. Slow down tiger. We don't want to cause a panic with a boycott. Somebody might get hurt doing all that effortless and non-effective nothing.
Selling products and making a product is what business does so how is that not effective. When you start into saying violent and obstructive behavior is the only effective choice you've basically said bullying people is the only way to win.
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I'm Batman!
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Quote: Selling products and making a product is what business does so how is that not effective.
It's great now with social media how you can go after a particular company now with the masses beside or behind you with the greatest of ease to cause a company to address whatever the people want addressed. If it were just a company, this would not be a problem. It's not just a company though.
Quote: When you start into saying violent and obstructive behavior is the only effective choice you've basically said bullying people is the only way to win.
The majority if not the entirety of the violence in all of these occupy groupings, outside of Oakland, has been from the police, not the protesters.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
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I've seen the police do at least one thing wrong I grant you by pepper spraying kids on the ground. That was messed up. No honor in attacking people on the ground like that. They should be ashamed.
On the other hand that doesn't suddenly mean the protesters are suddenly noble or even correct. It just means the police aren't some times.
One case where protesters bully citizens was at least one instance and I know there had to be more of a crowd banging around on a guy's car when he was leaving work. I wouldn't have blamed him if he ran over the lot. They have no business attacking a fellow minding his own business. __________________
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The police have been out of control in dozens of instances at many of those protests. Yes, they should be ashamed.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
