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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 16:47 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZihRD9jjpY&eurl=http://snafu-ed.b ...
Spot-on as usual, but skip to about 2:30 for his take on Values Voters. Classic.
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 17:15 |
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Nah-watch the whole thing.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 01:23 |
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gotta love bill. telling it like it is. too bad the people who he's talking about are too stupid or ignorant to realize it.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 01:35 |
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Wasn't he the guy that blamed 911 on America? I think he's an idiot myself.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 01:40 |
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No, he didn't say that. So, I take you didn't watch the vid … ?
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 08:53 |
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I think he's an idiot myself.
That's fair. If he came here, it would probably be mutual.
 (That was for the crack about my supposed whining in the 'appendix' thread.)
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 14:47 |
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Bill is a jerk to put it nicely. He's just a stand up comedian. He knows how to manipulate an audience by attacking the politicians he doesn't like not by issues, but by attacking them on a personal level.
You know how he does, this guys a idiot, he's a moron, he's this, he's that. Bill doesn't stand there and carefully go over the details of his arguments. He's just an attack dog.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 15:19 |
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I think if you'd watch the vid, you'd realize just how … offbase … you are, just to put it nicely. Of course, you disagree with his messages, so …
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 15:55 |
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Why is that comedians now feel they have to be political commentators? I can't think of a single major one that doesn't do political material. I will say this, I think Bill Maher does what he does very well, however much I may disagree with him.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 16:17 |
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Well, I think it's even more telling that a huge chunk of the population gets it's news from Daily Show and Colbert, and they are generally better informed than Tim.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 16:59 |
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Colbert is pretty funny. ..I had heard someplace that more people get their news from Entertainment Tonight than the big 3 networks combined. I haven't been able to verify that, although I have a sister that certainly seems to bear that out. I encourage her not to vote.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 17:06 |
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Too many people are like that …
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 17:08 Last Edited By: Tim |
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Well, I think it's even more telling that a huge chunk of the population gets it's news from Daily Show and Colbert, and they are generally better informed than Tim. I like how someone is automatically uninformed if they disagree with you. I guess if I want to be thought of as intelligent I'm going to have to start marching in goose step to all liberal theology. Ain't going to happen fake evil clone Cap.
Even if evil liberal dictators like fake 13 year old Caps say move, we have a duty to our country to stand firm for our values.
That's right I'm on to you. I know you are a teenager. I finally figured it out. No grownup would be consistently rude at every turn on political issues.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 17:13 |
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That's great … it's just your values and political opinions are largely based on wrong information and ignorance. Again, you rarely post anything of substance. Just little rants about libs and atheists and the Clintons.
That's all. I've said it a few times. So has pak, Danny and zod.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 17:16 |
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Unfortunately, I spend most of my time responding to insults. I guess I should start ignoring you, and I could get a lot more done.
On the other hand anything I do post I expect to be slandered immediately by you. How old are you anway? You a big fan of moveon.org by any chance?
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 17:19 |
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I've posted a few opinion and news links over the last few days, none of which you've looked at and responded to on the merits of them.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 18:09 |
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Preacher man, it's unfortunately true. While I don't have exact stats to back it, most people apparently get their news from entertainment sources like the streaming banner under E! programming, the Daily Show and Colbert Report, TMZ, Entertainment Tonite, etc. Most of these people doing the hosting are comedians, in one sense or another. They just bring their stage act to a network.
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He knows how to manipulate an audience
That covers the entire list above, every local news outlet, Fox, CNBC, etc. When shows don't figure out how their audiences work, they go off the air for not sustaining advertising revenue.
Tim, on a seperate note, how are you finding Civil War?
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 18:11 |
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I liked it. I was on comic book Cap's side the whole time. I hate Iron Man now.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 18:29 |
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But in reality, you support a government that arrests people with no charges, no lawyers and locks them up in secret prisons.
Now, Marvel's Civil War is a mixed analogy for the Patriot Act, but those components are straight out of the newspapers.
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I was on Cap's side, but I don't like the Patriot Act either, I try to be consistent.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 19:55 Last Edited By: Tim |
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But in reality, you support a government that arrests people with no charges, no lawyers and locks them up in secret prisons.
Those people are prisoners of war not American citizens. Did the Germans get trials. I don't think so, not till the war was over at any rate. War is hell. Now if American citizens start getting arrested in America with no lawyers. Then I'll get mad, but if some goober from America runs over to Iraq and joins up with a bunch of terrorists then he's screwed.
You exaggerate everything while leaving out important details to your arguments. You only post that which you want to be known.
The comic book story required that American citizens give up their right to privacy. American citizens! Not terrorists.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 20:04 |
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Um, Joseph Padilla was held for months without a lawyer. A German citizen was seized and sent to a black site and tortured, then he was released. Many of the inmates in Guantanamo have had no charges – and have been tortured.
Regardless of who it is, the right of habeas corpus is one we codifed in our Constitution, and we have as a point, applied that to our enemies.
The law on the books allows for U.S. citizens (as well as terrorists) to be held without a lawyer or formal charges for as long as the government wants.
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The comic book story required that American citizens give up their right to privacy. American citizens! Not terrorists.
Well, wiretapping and searching homes without a warrant might be construed as a loss of privacy.
From the Cato Institute (no leftwing joint there):
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3510
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You exaggerate everything while leaving out important details to your arguments. You only post that which you want to be known.
And that's bullshit. I may use some shorthand, but I try to present informed opinions.
You should try it sometime.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 20:26 |
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Don't know much about Padilla. http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/10/19/judge_asked_to_d ... All I know is he was a former gang member from this article.
I would think it best to have a trial for all American citizens, but it's hard to cry rivers for a guy trying to blow up people. I'm not sure how they could not allow a trial.
Still why is it you liberals are always more pissed about bad guys not getting rights than your average citizen?
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And that's bullshit. I may use some shorthand, but I try to present informed opinions.
Yeah, ok sure whatever you say. Did you ever answer my question about your age. Only women are ashamed to admit their age unless you really are just a kid like I'm inclined to believe.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 20:33 |
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Still why is it you liberals are always more pissed about bad guys not getting rights than your average citizen?
Look, I don't cry for this guy. But he deserves his due process. The way the law is structured is that only the government can determine if you are a terrorist, and you can't argue. I am worried average citizens.
And it's not just liberals: preach and the cato institute are against it … hardly liberals. Ex-Reaganites are calling for impeachment. Why don't you turn your penetrating and incisive comments in their directions?
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Yeah, ok sure whatever you say. Did you ever answer my question about your age. Only women are ashamed to admit their age unless you really are just a kid like I'm inclined to believe.
What the hell is your obsession with me? How I look, if I'm muscular, if I'm young? Seriously, you sound kinda Craigish to me. Creepy …
And I have told you my age before I realized you were trying to whatever it is you're trying to do. Again, creepy …
And if I was a kid, it must suck to be at the losing end what qualifies for debate here to a kid.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 20:45 Last Edited By: Tim |
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Look kid, I'm just pointing out your attitude is immature. If you didn't act like such a jerk all the time I might tend to agree with you occassionally. As it stands, I'm tempted to disagree with you just for spite. So you have to ask yourself what you are trying to accomplish here. You want to create adversity, or change hearts and minds to your ideology? All you are doing at present is creating enemies.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 20:48 |
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As it stands, I'm tempted to disagree with you just for spite.
Now, that's immature. Look, I've made plenty of posts without attitude, but you usually add it, and then you moan about it coming back at you. Not my problem, son.
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 01:13 Last Edited By: Tim |
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I'm not the kid so watch the son routine jr. I'm just trying to point out what you already know. Ain't you ever heard that you get more flies with honey than vinegar. For city boys that means being friendly will get you a lot farther with getting your idea across.
I learned that one from the Beverly hillbillies.
Another very wise saying from Proverbs 15:1
A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.
So remember that before you go stirring up anger.
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 16:17 |
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So remember that before you go stirring up anger.
You do the same.
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 16:43 |
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Although I honestly haven't sorted out all my feelings on the proper way to deal with the Gitmo boys, Jose Padilla is a citizen, and as such should have been afforded all the protections of the Constittution, regardless of the charges. You can use the severity of the charges ( with a perceived flight risk) to deny bail, but you cannot use the severity of charges to just stick an American citizen in a hole for years. What was done to Mr. Padilla was reprehensible and a very sad chapter in our history.
He could have been given his Constitutional protections and still be found guilty. It happens every day.
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yeah, you can't put people in jail without a trial in America. You should be able to hold war criminals of course. It's a wierd situation. It's not like WW2 where the bad guys wore uniforms.
Still of course I hate the thought a person could go to jail and not be given the right to defend themselves. That could possibly lead to a president overstepping his bounds. Kind of like what happened to those two border patrol agents. Only they didn't do anything wrong at all. They got their day in court and still went to jail wrongfully. Basically a president of these united states put two men in jail because it suited his foreign policy. Not something that makes me happy especially since his policies dealing with mexico are so wrong to begin with.
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