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Posted:  24 Oct 2007 17:07
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"The main plank in the National Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood." [Adolph Hitler, quoted in Hitler, A Study in Tyranny, by Alan Bullock (Harper Collins, NY)]


"It is thus necessary that the individual should come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole ... that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual. .... This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture .... we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow man." [Adolph Hitler, 1933]


There is the great, silent, continuous struggle: the struggle between the State and the Individual; between the State which demands and the individual who attempts to evade such demands. Because the individual, left to himself, unless he be a saint or hero, always refuses to pay taxes, obey laws, or go to war. [Benito Mussolini]


Fascist ethics begin ... with the acknowledgment that it is not the individual who confers a meaning upon society, but it is, instead, the existence of a human society which determines the human character of the individual. According to Fascism, a true, a great spiritual life cannot take place unless the State has risen to a position of pre-eminence in the world of man. The curtailment of liberty thus becomes justified at once, and this need of rising the State to its rightful position. [Mario Palmieri, "The Philosophy of Fascism" 1936]


"Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all." [Nikita Khrushchev , February 25, 1956 20th Congress of the Communist Party]


"All our lives we fought against exalting the individual, against the elevation of the single person, and long ago we were over and done with the business of a hero, and here it comes up again: the glorification of one personality. This is not good at all." [Vladimir Lenin, as quoted in Not by Politics Alone]


"We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society." [Hillary Clinton, 1993]

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Posted:  24 Oct 2007 17:27
Wow, that's a cheap shot.

So, is the argument that actively trying to better a society fascism? Isn't the idea of our form of government to balance the needs of the many with the needs of the few? Channeling Spock there, sorry.

There is a vast difference between the total acquiesce of the individual to the state and one in which the individual plays a part but retains his unique liberty. Any government requires that. But libertarianism, fully realized, is anarchy. And a fantasy land ideal.

Anyway, that's the kind of cheap conflation that keeps political America stuck on stupid. Didn't expect that from ya, preach.
Posted:  24 Oct 2007 18:07
It is hardly a cheap shot to take someone with known Marxist tenedencies and a record of being in favor of collectivism vs individuality and put their quotes alongside the 'great minds' of tyranny.
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Posted:  24 Oct 2007 18:15   Last Edited By: Captain America
Comparing Hillary to Hitler? That's not cheap? Really? Foolishness.

If I wanted to make a cheap point, I could compare Bush to Hitler in his wrapping of war and the curbing of civil rights with business, the flag and religion. And the comparison would be far more valid than your tying her idea of health care with the brain behind concentration camps. But I don't.

Again, collectivism and individuality can coexist in our society. It has for 200+ years.

So, you're not conspiracy-minded, but Hillary is positioning herself to be a tyrant? Sounds like you just need the right conspiracy.
Posted:  24 Oct 2007 18:30
Personally, I think most people believe Hillary is all about power. That's what's wrong with most politicians nowadays even republicans. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  24 Oct 2007 18:43
All politicians are about power, and I would argue the republicans of the last 15 years represent the worst of that lot.
Posted:  24 Oct 2007 18:50
Would you be happier if I had removed the Hitler quotes and left the others in?  As far as comparing Bush to Hitler, it's been done on a fairly regualr basis by the left for almost 8 years now.

Ok, here's a quote to soothe some feathers....

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I believe the government that governs best is the government that governs least, and by that standard we have created a fabulous government in Iraq.  -Stephen Colbert

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Posted:  24 Oct 2007 18:56
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Would you be happier if I had removed the Hitler quotes and left the others in?

Didn't feel like spelling out the others …
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As far as comparing Bush to Hitler, it's been done on a fairly regualr basis by the left for almost 8 years now.

Well, you're upholding a wonderful and helpful standard. I don't like defending the Clintons, as I think she's actually a GOP-lite, corporate democrat, but they're far less tyrannical than the Bushies have proven.

That Colbert quote is a winner, but kinda flies in the face of your usual faerieland libertarianism/anarchy.
Posted:  24 Oct 2007 19:13
I actually thought the Cobert quote was quite witty. Am I not allowed to have a sense of humor about my one beliefs?
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Posted:  24 Oct 2007 19:19
Good for ya, my friend …
Posted:  24 Oct 2007 19:20
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I would argue the republicans of the last 15 years represent the worst of that lot.
I would argue the republicans just caught up to the democrats in that regard the last 8 years or so.

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Am I not allowed to have a sense of humor about my one beliefs?
I certainly think it helps. I'm all for having a sense of humor myself.

I was kind of disappointed nobody got my hillary vampire pic.
http://reallypolitical.com/images/vampirehillary2.jpg
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  24 Oct 2007 19:22
I got it, I just thought it was genuinely creepy.
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Posted:  24 Oct 2007 19:23
Yes, maybe a bit too realistic.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  24 Oct 2007 19:29
Nah, just really mediocre photoshop work.