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It's not a missionaries job to pass out condoms. It's their job to preach about Christ.
They're supposed to be helping. Nobody said they have to hand out condoms, which isn't the issue. By them telling these already scared and impressionable people that God disapproves of condoms when one could save their life is tantamount to a death sentence.
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I mean come on missionaries give up a lot.
wtf...Who asked em to? They are doing something of their own volition which is causing more harm than any possible imaginary good you could think of. To spread ignorance and preach about not using a health aid in the face of this deadly disease is misguided, selfish, unwarranted, unfounded and deadly. There is NO EXCUSE for it.
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Joseph ran from his boss' wife in Egypt when she tried to tempt him.
If that's the one example you want to follow from among several, that's up to you. Others don't share the same view obviously.
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By them telling these already scared and impressionable people that God disapproves of condoms when one could save their life is tantamount to a death sentence. That sounds like a twist of the truth if I ever heard it. I think the message from missionaries is receive Christ first, then as a Christian abstain from sex till marriage.
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.Who asked em to? They are doing something of their own volition which is causing more harm than any possible imaginary good you could think of. To spread ignorance and preach about not using a health aid in the face of this deadly disease is misguided, selfish, unwarranted, unfounded and deadly. There is NO EXCUSE for it. Gee whiz where do you come up with this stuff? If these folks don't know how to get to heaven condoms are the least of their worries. I do believe that at least in the evangelical ranks that this is their primary concern. Further just to make you feel all warm inside they also provide medical services to countries that might not get it otherwise.
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If that's the one example you want to follow from among several, that's up to you. Others don't share the same view obviously. Well ok let's put it in a different context. Let's say you are on a diet, but you are addicted to hostess fruit pies. Now if you have them stockpiled in your home at a arms length how long will it be before you go and start eating on them?
Using my logic I would say the best thing to do is stop buying them, and get away from hostess fruit pies wouldn't you?
Just how would it help a person to be around the action or object they are trying to abstain from?
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I think the message from missionaries is receive Christ first, then as a Christian abstain from sex till marriage.
I'm all for free speech but I have to say they need to sit down and shut up. The message they spread is self serving mysticism in the stead of real medical advice. Pray for the solution instead of a real solution. Free speech gets clipped as soon as it endangers someone else.
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If these folks don't know how to get to heaven condoms are the least of their worries
Not that I would wish it on anyone, but if you or someone you know and care about comes down with aids the most humane thing you could do is put your beliefs on the back burner and pay attention to some things that really matter, here and now.
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Further just to make you feel all warm inside they also provide medical services
At what price? Do some research on Mother Theresa and get back to me.
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Well ok let's put it in a different context
It's already been pointed out by someone else that this type of thing is not your strong suit, so lets keep the focus where it is and where it belongs. Hostess fruit pies are not in any way, shape or form comparable to aids.
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Free speech gets clipped as soon as it endangers someone else. You are going way overboard now. I mean you are really reaching here. Dude teaching someone to trust in Christ doesn't really have a lot to do with whether or not people use condoms or not. That's there choice. The only connection is that Christianity teaches to abstain.
I can only assume you've heard about some particular case that you are referring to that I'm not familiar with.
The fruit pies example was about the choice between as you said defeating your temptations vs the biblical way of running from sin.
It sounds like you are attempting to blame Christianity for aids? I don't get it.
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You are going way overboard now. I mean you are really reaching here
In the same tone, you are out of touch with reality. If you tell people they can't use condoms because god will get angry and they get infected from being afraid of god, you telling them to not take precautions is a hazard. You trying to people not to have sex is egotistical at it's best and simply not realistic. It's not a single far-out, far reaching solitary example-it's widespread and common practice across Africa and turning into a genocide level epidemic. This is also not some ideal little situation where everyone is going to suddenly embrace a crazy notion like heaven based on the lives they have and suddenly run from the various few 'fruit pies' they have a chance of gaining some happiness from here on earth now.
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It sounds like you are attempting to blame Christianity for aids? I don't get it.
I try to avoid conspiracy theories-too close to religion for my tastes.
I am saying that it is too late for a silly 'cure' of preaching abstinence and there are deadly consequences to having people inspired by fear not taking an incredibly simple step that might save their lives. Your missionaries are doing nothing but harm with their dogma and finger pointing and fairy tales and should be exiled immediately. They are an enemy to the entire African continent, specifically for the results of their 'good intentions'.
I kid you not, if I was half aware of all this and a citizen of one of these tribes, I would have them killed on sight if they didn't leave quietly and immediately. That would be simply in the interest of protecting friends and family and my own life from the evil outside influence of these salesmen. That has nothing to do with my views on religion and I'm being as honest as ever here. It's not a small problem, it's not a simple issue.
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Wow, an you say I'm a bigot. Dude it's a good thing I'm easy going because I think you just threatened to kill people for believing in Jesus. People like me. So if I went to Africa to preach about Jesus you'd shoot me huh?
You don't see how nutty that is? People are dying of aids over there because they are having sex with anything that moves. Pure and simple. How hard is it to stop screwing every warm body you come in contact with?
Condoms alone wouldn't save those people anyway. What makes you think they'd use it.
And one more time. First priority of a Christian missionary is to preach acceptance of Jesus Christ. Sex or not having it there of is second. But to be fair how is telling them to not have sex going to kill them. I think the message isn't don't use condoms. The message would be stopping screwing around.
Now please try to refrain from acting like an escaped killer alright. You really offend me talking like that. I feel like no matter what I say you have these preconceived notions. Respond to me not to what you've heard please.
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I think you just threatened to kill people for believing in Jesus.
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if I went to Africa to preach about Jesus you'd shoot me huh?
Not what I said. Read it all again.
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People are dying of aids over there because they are having sex with anything that moves.
Your opinion.
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Condoms alone wouldn't save those people anyway.
Then why ban them?
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The message would be stopping screwing around.
The message would be for meddlers to butt out and people who are actually interested in helping to get in there with medicine and condoms and health education.
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You really offend me talking like that
For someone who talks about how tough others should be, it's a shame you get hurt so easily.
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Respond to me not to what you've heard please.
What?
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Then why ban them? Who banned them in Africa? The only thing I know about banning condoms is Christians and moral parents of any religion have stated they don't want their kids handed condoms in public schools. Where are you getting this stuff about Africa? You got a link or something?
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The message would be for meddlers to butt out and people who are actually interested in helping to get in there with medicine and condoms and health education Again not banning and not bringing condoms are 2 seperate things. Medicine is brought by many missionaries.
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For someone who talks about how tough others should be, it's a shame you get hurt so easily. Well it kind of puts a damper on friendship when you think someone wants to shoot you.
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What? I keep telling you missionaries that I know of aren't telling people to stop using condoms, but you keep ignoring me.
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Who banned them in Africa?
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You got a link or something?
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/323/7305/139
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4081276.stm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0516-01.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0830-02.htm
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Again not banning and not bringing condoms are 2 seperate things
I never said that the problem has anything to do with missionaries not delivering condoms. Nice try though.
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when you think someone wants to shoot you.
I'm in NJ, not in Africa and you're not a missionary the last time I checked. Nice try again.
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I keep telling you missionaries that I know of aren't telling people to stop using condoms,
Nice addition of the 'ones you know of' bit. Nobody was talking about the 'ones you know' unless of course they happen to travel to Africa to advocate a dogmatic death sentence.
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What missionaries are funded to stop condom use? Tell me who? Name one Baptist missionary. Please, please for the love of God tell me who?
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Now you want a baptist....give me a break already.
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You don't know anybody! Maybe some buddist monk or something. Heck I don't know where you get this stuff. You don't know where you get this stuff. Maybe some alien being landed in your back yard and warned you about the evil Christian threat.
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Maybe some alien being landed in your back yard and warned you about the evil Christian threat
You asked for links to show where I got this from, I provided you 4 of a whole host to look at. Stop making stupid unrelated comments and go look. Unless you just don't care of course, which says alot about if you actually practice what you preach.
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Sorry, I missed them.
First link I don't see nothing about Christians.
Second - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4081276.stm
The Pope made an opinion. Doesn't say he commanded all condoms be banned.
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But now, thanks to US-funded programmes which carry ideological conditions, the condoms are literally being thrown away, and HIV-Aids infections are on the rise again.
But wait is the U.S paying for it. Shouldn't the ones paying for it have a say in what the program buys.
What is it saying here, the U.S. is stealing condoms from other programs and destroying them. Come on. And what in the world does that have to do with missionaries. Missionaries aren't throwing away condoms.
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The condom shortage has developed because both the Ugandan government and the US, which is the main donor for HIV/Aids prevention, have allowed supplies to dwindle, according to an American pressure group, the Centre for Health and Gender Equity (Change).
In 2003, President Bush declared he would spend $15bn on his emergency plan for Aids relief, but receiving aid under the programme has moral strings attached.
Recipient countries have to emphasise abstinence over condoms, and - under a congressional amendment - they must condemn prostitution.
Ok still where does it say missionaries are on a rampage taking away condoms?
Is Bush a missionary? I thought he was the President forking over tax payer dollars to stuff without our permission.
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It's pretty simple actually. President Bush and Christian missionaries should find a better use of funds and their time than meddling in everyone else's affairs. Let these people find their own way. If they are so desperate to help, then take the personal agenda of pushing religion on them out of it and just help. It's the added bonus of dogmatic obstinence that is causing more harm than the good they portray and pretend to be offering. I'm certain the individuals over there believe they are doing good deeds-it's not their fault they are so delusionally and monumentally fucking wrong. They need to go. End of story.
The highest order or importance is the need to stop the spread of HIV there. Money would be best spent on preventing new infections, that's just the sheer ineligant simple economics of it. We are in total agreement to right here. You and Bush and the various 'helpers' who go out there seem to have the idea that prayer works. This is part and parcel of what is delivered through the aid offered-the tack on to the bill as it were. Prayer doesn't cure anything, not one thing, in the real and physical world. To offer this as a solution to someone who is dying or possibly just with a new infection is irresponsible and egomaniacal-I would venture to call it an act of pride.
Your group also have this insanely naive position of promoting abstinence as a viable means of at least reducing transmission. When you tell people they shouldn't have sex outside of marriage, what do they really do after agreeing with Santa's little helpers? Please allow yourself to be honest here, seeing as how all of are born sinners and such. If they really comply with it at all, they look for loopholes. They now switch from 'actual' sex to oral and anal 'alternatives' just so they don't upset that angry and vengeful god the helpers keep talking about and warning about and just keep going on about. If you're automatically going to deny that anal and oral are not loopholes...save it. They can't hear you and that's not how they see it. Prayer still doesn't work and abstinence has all the benefits of a sugar pill in the stead of real medicine and real education.
That first article was about the economics of it. As for the Pope..
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Pope Benedict, who was elected to succeed John Paul II in April, has already signalled that he will maintain a strictly traditional line on issues including abortion and homosexuality
Nothing new here, just the same old same old. See, if that way had actually worked up til now, it wouldn't be an epidemic. He's doing nothing new in the face of it which is condoning and assisting their problem only getting worse because those little helpers have to answer the middle management known as the Pope.
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Some Catholic clergymen have argued that the use of condoms to stem the spread of the disease would be a "lesser of two evils".
The Pope warned that contraception was one of a host of trends contributing to a "breakdown in sexual morality", and church teachings should not be ignored.
"It is of great concern that the fabric of African life, its very source of hope and stability, is threatened by divorce, abortion, prostitution, human trafficking and a contraception mentality," he added.
Just an opinion? Really? Even that 'contraception mentality' part on the tail end of the list of African societal woes? Don't ignore it, it's right there.
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Ok still where does it say missionaries are on a rampage taking away condoms?
You keep making them into delivery guys for Trojan, not me. Quit it already..
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Hey, I think I spotted the topic lying over here in the bushes!
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Prayer still doesn't work and abstinence has all the benefits of a sugar pill in the stead of real medicine and real education. I don't know, I prayed that oil would go down and it has. May not stay down forever, but I think the good Lord is listening.
As far as abstinence, using America as an example, I would argue that most people did just that in the early days of America. The reason I know is because there was a huge cloud over anybody's head for having sex out of marriage, and there was no birth control. So brother if you had sex you better have got to marrying that girl, or your sins would find you out in 9 months.
Last thing, and I know you'll hate this, but where's all the condom humanistic atheist missionaries with their boxes of condoms? If Christian missionaries are evil for not passing them out then where's your version of a missionary? Can't complain about something if your group doesn't do anything at all.
That's like complaining about the President and sitting out the election.
Oh, I can only speak for Baptists. We use birth control pills brother.
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I prayed that oil would go down and it has
You really thnk there's an actual connection between your base request and physical happenings in the real world?
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there was a huge cloud over anybody's head for having sex out of marriage
So, of course absolutely nobody had sex of any variety back in the good old days unless they were married? Grow up.
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Christian missionaries are evil for not passing them out
You're still stuck on the missionaries handing them out. You completely ignore everything I've said to keep sticking to this rediculous delivery thing. Snap out of it.
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Oh, I can only speak for Baptists
I may actually change my tag to this so you're reminded of it every day. Plese do the rest of us an immeasurable good deed by only speaking for baptists. That would be wonderful.
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You really thnk there's an actual connection between your base request and physical happenings in the real world? Could be. I pray about things that worry me. I prayed for this and it happened. All I know for sure is my God isn't limited to anything by his power. If he wants it to happen it will happen.
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So, of course absolutely nobody had sex of any variety back in the good old days unless they were married? Grow up. I didn't say nobody had sex unless they were married. I just said people weren't having sex out of wedlock near as much back then because they got caught, and there was a huge stigma with it. By the way I know a lot of people that would suggest you were the one that needed to grow up on this issue, bud. Seems like you just get mad at the very thought people shouldn't run around having sex like dogs. I happen to believe people should at least be considering marriage before they have sex. I'm not here to judge individuals for their decisions anyway. I'm just stating facts.
It's not like I'm naming individuals and pointing fingers. All I know is that there are consequences for every action we take in life. I've learned it the hard way sometimes, and I bet you have too. You can't blame God every time something bad happens when people do what the heck they want to do.
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You're still stuck on the missionaries handing them out. You completely ignore everything I've said to keep sticking to this rediculous delivery thing. Snap out of it. That's because you keep inferring missionaries are literally stealing condoms from out of people's pockets.
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I may actually change my tag to this so you're reminded of it every day. Plese do the rest of us an immeasurable good deed by only speaking for baptists. That would be wonderful. Hey if you lump me in with Catholics I got to correct you. Catholics, God bless them, have a lot of different ways at looking at life than we baptists. I'm just letting you know so you don't live in ignorance on the issue.
I tried to stop lumping you in with all the atheists, heathens, and communists at least you can do is acknowledge there are some major differences among folks that society labels Christian. I ain't arguing with you just to hear myself type you know.
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I just said people weren't having sex out of wedlock near as much back
There is not one single reason outside of wishful thinking to believe this.
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I'm not here to judge individuals for their decisions anyway
I don't even see a possibility of this. Whether it's verbal or not, judgements get made.
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Hey if you lump me in with Catholics I got to correct you.
I wouldn't want to mistake for something you are not and had not realised I had done so. My apologies. You are very clearly not a Catholic or Zionist or any of the other thousands of possible subsets of Christianity. Got it.
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I tried to stop lumping you in with all the atheists, heathens, and communists
There's a couple of funny things right here. I am an atheist by the definition. I am a self proclaimed heathen by how religious texts define heathens. Myself and other atheists are not a group-I did want to make this clear. The lack of a belief in a god or gods shouldn't even need a name. I don't like opera and don't think I need a title that defines me as a non-opera listener. If that's a bad example, I don't believe in ghosts either. I don't need a title for this. I don't believe in luck. I don't believe in leprechauns. I don't believe in unicorns. The list can go on for days and the only one that has any sort of handle is the nonbelief in a god one. Consider the silliest part of all this-if atheism is just a nonbelief in a god(which I believe  by the way) then the fact that you don't believe in Allah or Zeus or Pizuzu makes you an atheist as well. I just happen to believe in one less god than you, to borrow from Richard Dawkins. Since I've already come this far, let me state for the record, that agnosticism is a complete and utter nonsense we should remove from the lexicon of all languages everywhere.
I don't know why communism is here with the other two. That would be either a political system or distinction or maybe, if you stretch it just right, a philosophical argument that has NOTHING to do with a belief or lack of a belief in a deity. Just because a number of people who practiced or enforced policies of communism happened to be atheists, does not mean their communism was caused by or informed by their atheism. They have nothing to do with each other. Please acknowledge that you read and understand this Tim. I hate to keep repeating myself and I'm not arguing just to get typing practice other.
As for the being lumped in with other forms of Christianity, you are in fact, a Christian. I know and understand very clearly that there are so many different aspects and nuances and beliefs that there are actually so many different types of Christianity. This is one the things that actually informs my atheism.
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There is not one single reason outside of wishful thinking to believe this. I told you. No birth control. Everybody knew when somebody had sex back then.
I said communism because as an atheists you very clearly want God taken out of every aspect of public life. That's exactly the same policy the communists have.
And correct me if I'm wrong don't you at the very least consider yourself a socialists?
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I told you. No birth control. Everybody knew when somebody had sex back then.
That would have to assume that either a baby was made each and every time people had any type of sexual interaction or some other magical indication which would appear from each and every such interaction like a big red letter A appearing on the girl's forehead. False assumption on your part.
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I said communism because as an atheists you very clearly want God taken out of every aspect of public life.
You've not only made atheists a group but you've given them a mission too. Try again.
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don't you at the very least consider yourself a socialists?
That looks like you might be asking for my opinion on this made up group of yours again. In case you were just asking me in particular, I'm no more a socialist than you. I can't speak for other atheists.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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You've not only made atheists a group but you've given them a mission too. Try again. Uh right so I'm to believe atheists don't want God out of public life. All I have to do is listen to you to know better than that.
Ok so you aren't a socialists? Then let me ask you where you stand on spending tax dollars on welfare or for passing out condoms for that matter?
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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Uh right so I'm to believe atheists don't want God out of public life.
If I might be so bold as saying we....We don't care about God, we don't believe in him. We just don't want our elected officials making decisions based on it. We don't want the dogma seeping into our daily lives. We want freedom from your religion. That is what I have been saying all along and if you had been listening as you say you have I wouldn't have to keep saying these things.
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Then let me ask you where you stand on spending tax dollars on welfare or for passing out condoms for that matter?
I think welfare is harmful and gives people an excuse to not do for themselves, making them complacent on dependant on the government. Taxes should not be spent on passing out condoms(you're very hung up on this delivery of condoms thing) here at home. Sex education and healthcare I'm a little more 'sociable' on.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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