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Political Discussion / Politics / Politics and Entertainment / Dk Redux 11: Where have all the cowboys gone?

Posted:  03 Aug 2008 17:37
We used to have bad guys bent on money and power, in a few cases to make their mark on history. It was a simple system. Now for two Batfilms in a row we've had the main bad guy trying to destroy the city itself. Ra's did it as a sort of quarantine or putting the town to the torch because it is hopelessly lost to crime and corruption. Joker, as an agent for chaos in his own words, wants to just speed up the clock on a process already in the works.

Can we have criminals in the spotlight of films like these just with base motives anymore?
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And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  04 Aug 2008 15:34
I don't know. Destroying the city is classic big comic book type plots. That or trying to take over or destroy the whole world. You got to have something big going down to hit that big theater moment otherwise it might come off as just something you might see on TV.
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Posted:  05 Aug 2008 03:26
Could you really sustain a two hour movie with Batman busting purse snatchers and three-card monte hustlers?
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Posted:  05 Aug 2008 18:30
I never said petty crime, rather more base motives than destroying an entire city or the whole world.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  06 Aug 2008 04:41
I think destroying the world is fairly ambitious myself. What sort of motive would you suggest?

And in defense of the new movie 9which I still haven't seen, at least they have broken free of the Bat-movie death spiral of 'more villains, a different Batman, more loud colors' in every movie.
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Posted:  06 Aug 2008 05:42
That's a very negative ambition which provides absolutely nothing in the way of gain for the person doing it.

Take a look at any other movies with a criminal element that takes center stage. Just because Batman is a 'superhero' doesn't mean the villains all have to be over the top lunatics. Refer back to stories like Year One and The Long Halloween-maximum character investment, premium storytelling, minimum showboating.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles