Well, for people willing to elect a person with actually less government experience than Dan Quayle, that's exactly what I think! You're championing someone who has been picking up federal paycheck for all of 20 months and spent more time begging for presidential votes than he has doing the job we're paying him for!
Perhaps what I said was over-simplified, but how simple-minded are these people who, when Obama merely says the word "change!", start to faint in the aisles? Notice he keeps talking about change, but says nothing else about what will be DONE to bring about this change? It didn't work 15 years ago for Ross Perot, it shouldn't be working now.
As I've said before, some people are so eager to break the glass ceiling that they end up bleeding to death!
Will some Republicans back me up here?
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I'm not Obama's biggest fan so I don't defend him.
Both candidates spread a fair helping of manure. Politics as usual.
Nobody on either ticket has any 'experience' at the positions they're fighting for. The whole experience argument is beyond pointless now. For actual experience we'd have to elect Quayle, Gore or Cheney for top spot.
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You make a good point, Pak, no one who hasn't actually held that job has any 'experience'. __________________
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Quote: CNN finds a troubling number of lies.
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and just for the heck of it...
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You think Palin was a bad choice for VP?
If Obama is so dead-set against "More Of The Same", why did he choose for his VP a man who's been serving the liberal agenda since the last days of Nixon!? That's right folks, Biden has been in the Senate nearly TWICE AS LONG as McCain has! That is a glaring example of the double-talk democrats have given us for the last twenty years, from Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and now from Obama. Just a new face telling us the same old lies.
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Quote: You think Palin was a bad choice for VP?
Yes. I've shown why. Pointing out things from the other side doesn't make them go away(regardless of how you dress them up).
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Dude, Palin was a very good choice. I actually wrote a whole article about this in my local newspaper. __________________
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Dude, it was a gimmick. It was not about 'country first'-it was strictly pandering for a vote first. For someone who is supposedly a 'maverick' he got pushed away from who he really wanted for this obvious ploy. I doubt he really chose her at all.
She can't run the nation-she's not ready. If you think she is, point out why instead of the cutesy rhetoric about a pitbull field dressing a moose.
Name some stands on issues she hasn't talked about-which would be all of them. They've taken her off the campaign trail for almost two weeks just to let her study what McCain's platform is. She is simply clueless right now. She may indeed be a great leader someday. That day is not now.
You also have all those little dramas and scandals popping up left and right starting to hurt his campaign.
Abuse of office. Unwed daughter pregnant at 17. Misuse of public funds. All of this coming to light in less than a week. Shorter than her study period, just to catch up to what McCain is supposedly going to be about before his camp changes his mind for him again.
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Quote: John Mccain rides the Cynicism Express w/Sarah Palin
Quote: Has anyone noticed that Sarah Palin's central claim to political fame is a fraud? She represents herself as a fiscal conservative who abhors pork-barrel projects and said no thanks to the "Bridge to Nowhere" -- a $398 million span that would have linked Ketchikan, Alaska, to its airport across the Tongass Narrows. But as mayor of Wasilla (pop. 9,780), she hired a Washington lobbyist to bring home the bacon. And as a candidate for governor just two years ago, she supported both the Ketchikan bridge and the congressional earmark that would have paid most of its cost.
We learned last week that John McCain is not who he is -- not, at least, who he claims to be. The steady, straight-talking, country-first statesman his campaign has been selling is a fictional character. The real McCain is either alarmingly cynical or dangerously reckless.
You will recall that McCain gave the same prime criterion for choosing a running mate that every presidential candidate gives: someone who is ready to step in as president if, heaven forbid, the need arises. Barack Obama echoed those words before picking Joe Biden, who is about as prepared as a vice presidential candidate could ever be.
You will also recall that McCain and his supporters have been lecturing us about the grave and urgent dangers our country faces -- Islamic fundamentalism, the resurgence of Russia and other geopolitical threats. In a menacing world, McCain says, he will keep America safe.
So, at 72 and with a history of cancer, how could McCain choose a vice presidential nominee who has, let's face it, zero experience in foreign affairs? Being the nominal commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard doesn't count, unless you think Vladimir Putin is about to order an invasion across the Bering Strait.
At a time when the nation also confronts enormous challenges at home, Palin has, um, slightly more than zero experience in domestic affairs. The reason most people move to Alaska is that it's different from the rest of the country. Salmon fishing and snowmobile racing are not front-page news in Ohio, Pennsylvania or Florida.
McCain's political calculation in choosing Palin is obvious. Social conservatives, who had been unexcited by his candidacy, are ecstatic that he has picked a running mate who staunchly opposes abortion, favors the teaching of "intelligent design" in the public schools and generally embraces the agenda of the religious right.
I have my doubts about the other objective of McCain's gambit: to win the votes of blue-collar women who supported Hillary Clinton. For one thing, these voters disagree sharply with Palin on most of the issues. For another, initial indications are that many women were insulted at the notion that they would automatically swoon over any candidate who happened to have two "X" chromosomes.
The other thing we learned about McCain is that he is willing to take an enormous gamble based on limited information. He only met Palin once before summoning her for a final interview. He realized he needed to shake up the presidential race, and that's what he did. But we are reminded, if we did not realize it before, that the three things not to expect from a McCain presidency are caution, prudence and a willingness to always put the nation's interests above his own.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/... He wanted to choose the pro-abortion-rights Joe Lieberman as his vice president. If he were still a true maverick, he would have done so. But instead he chose partisanship and politics over country. "God only made one John McCain, and he is his own man," said the shafted Lieberman in his own tedious convention speech last week. What a pathetic dupe. McCain is now the man of James Dobson and Tony Perkins. The "no surrender" warrior surrendered to the agents of intolerance not just by dumping his pal for Palin but by moving so far to the right on abortion that even Cindy McCain seemed unaware of his radical shift when being interviewed by Katie Couric last week.
That ideological sellout, unfortunately, was not the worst leadership trait the last-minute vice presidential pick revealed about McCain. His speed-dating of Palin reaffirmed a more dangerous personality tic that has dogged his entire career. His decision-making process is impetuous and, in its Bush-like preference for gut instinct over facts, potentially reckless.
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on the first video, let's review
A) she said she stood up to lobbyists.. by this I assume she means lobbyists petitioning favors from her as governor. CNN claims that she hired a lobbyist (singular) to represent her community's interests before Congress. I'm actually ok with that.
B) she said she was anti-earmark, but when the money was laid at her state's doorstep, she took it. I think that's a valid criticism. You have to remember that her state is represented by Ted Stevens, who never saw an earmark he didn't like.
C) ethics reform.. she did it
D) Vetoes on spending....she did it
E) natural gas pipeline.. for CNN to look at details and mineral rights still being ironed out as some sort of failure is a bit silly. Obviously the ball is rolling on it, and has been for some time for it to have gone that far. As an aside, if there was a little less red tape in the process, it might be further along
All in all, hardly a 'troubling number of lies'. Puh-lease.
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Quote: the cutesy rhetoric about a pitbull field dressing a moose.
As opposed to Obama, who makes sure every third word out of his mouth is 'change', but says nothing else except to sling mud at McCain's record? This idiot won't ever be ready to lead, if he thinks the only way to get elected is to keep going "Whatever Bush/McCain says, I'm against it.". Let's use some common sense.
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Quote: As opposed to Obama, who makes sure every third word out of his mouth is 'change', but says nothing else except to sling mud at McCain's record?
You actually have the people reversed here. McCain has recently jumped on the 'change' bandwagon, but unlike Barry, he doesn't back it up with any offerings of actual change-even to match the emptiest promise of his opponent.
Quote: Let's use some common sense.
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Joe Biden says it better than I could. This one's for you GOParty.
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Quote: he doesn't back it up with any offerings of actual change-even to match the emptiest promise of his opponent.
I disagree. I think he offers the biggest change. He promised the most gutsy move yet by simply promising to veto all pork barrel spending. I guarantee you that Obama will not promise that one.
For Mr. Biden I can say that McCain will not waste as much money as Mr. Bush did.
Raising the minim wage only causes everything else to go up. As soon as the minim wage goes up, the union labor wages have to go up, the cost of business goes up everywhere and all that happens in the long run is every one ends up in the exact same spot percentage wise but with higher prices.
Biden knows that McCain has addressed the fact that all people are not doing super in the economy right now. I guess he didn't watch the convention.
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Quote: He promised the most gutsy move yet by simply promising to veto all pork barrel spending
Sounds like a nice offering of an empty promise. Look no further than Governor Palin's 'bridge to nowhere' funds. Next.
Quote: For Mr. Biden I can say that McCain will not waste as much money as Mr. Bush did.
McCain wants to branch out the world police effort into China, Russia, and Iran before we've even finished in Afghanistan and Iraq. McCain will in doing so wind up spending more than Bush. I'm not giving Obama a free pass here either as he has not yet pointed out clearly a commitment to either getting involved in those affairs or keeping out of them.
Quote: Raising the minim wage only causes everything else to go up.
That's a bit of a double edged sword. Raising the minimum wage is usually the last thing as a response to costs of living for minimum wage earners. You also have the issues of why the government is going to regulate what employers pay and why people are not educated in what to do with their money properly in the first place. It goes a bit deeper than 'don't raise the minimum wage'.
Quote: Biden knows that McCain has addressed the fact that all people are not doing super in the economy right now.
Biden knows? How do you know what Biden knows? Biden knows McCain has given the Bush administration a big thumbs up on the economy, presumably based on his own profit sheet.
Quote: McCain never even mentioned the word healthcare
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Senator McCain's camp is nice enough to have his entire speech printed out to comb over.
One mention of the words health care in the entire thing.
Quote: My health care plan will make it easier for more Americans to find and keep good health care insurance. His plan will force small businesses to cut jobs, reduce wages, and force families into a government run health care system where a bureaucrat stands between you and your doctor.
His plan will make it easier...he's giving out five of the twelve thousand average every family will need, and this is barring future increases. How generous of him. Where's the other seven thousand come from exactly for the typical american family that might be making only 30k or even less a year? Where's his 5k handout coming from while we're at it? You can knock a social health care system all you want-until you have something better, you've got nothing to actually replace it with. McCain has exactly squat for health care.
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Obama on change. Talk about timing.
Quote: Barack Obama spoke about the meaning of change today in at a town hall in Flint Michigan.
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From the same speech.
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Quote: That's a bit of a double edged sword. Raising the minimum wage is usually the last thing as a response to costs of living for minimum wage earners. You also have the issues of why the government is going to regulate what employers pay and why people are not educated in what to do with their money properly in the first place. It goes a bit deeper than 'don't raise the minimum wage'.
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Quote: McCain has exactly squat for health care.
All Obama and Biden have said so far is how little McCain talks about Health Care. We all know though that what they plan on doing is paying for some gigantic bureaucratic mess controlled by government and paid for by the taxpayers.
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Quote: All Obama and Biden have said so far is how little McCain talks about Health Care.
Both candidates have issues(that just sounds funny right there).....
They both have sections on their web sites devoted to the issues of their respective platforms. One of which that they actually share is health care. We can see what plans they both have to date and dissect them both point by point.
Quote: We all know though that what they plan on doing is paying for some gigantic bureaucratic mess controlled by government and paid for by the taxpayers.
It's a nice bumper sticker, but something about the way you put it is almost......sexy.
Let's stick to facts Tim. Back this up or don't do it anymore, please. Show how it's a 'gigantic bureaucratic mess'. We'll talk about what the taxes are paying for afterwards.
Quote: I'd rather be free and pay for my own healthcare than a slave to the government.
I doubt too many people are going to pick being a slave to their government....You're not saying anything here. I'm still not voting for you Tim. __________________
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Quote: I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Show me all the good things about his choice.
Do you know what she did before she became governor? She was a major, which is kind of like a community organizer, except she had real responsibilities. What was Obama before he joined the Senate? A community organizer.
Perhaps McCain did choose her because she's a woman. I don't deny it. It was a good strategy--and I think it will work. But he had to do it to help ensure his victory in the election. Sarah Palin is essential for McCain to get into the White House. I believe he has a lot more of chance to get it now.
As for those scandals, Pak, the dems are spreading lies about her. As soon she was announced as a Vice Presidential candidate, all this stupid crap came out about her. If I had been selected as a candidate for that position, all kinds of dirty lies and madeup stories would surface about me too.
Yeah, her daughter is 17 and pregnant. Sure its dissapointing, but at least she's going to do the right thing and marry the guy. Besides, Pak, even Obama had the class to admit that family matters are off-limits. She shouldn't be turned away because her daughter is pregnant. That's ridiculous. I'm surprised you don't have the sense to see that. __________________
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Quote: She was a major, which is kind of like a community organizer, except she had real responsibilities.
Thank you for wasting my time. I heard her speech too.
Quote: Perhaps McCain did choose her because she's a woman. I don't deny it. It was a good strategy--and I think it will work.
If it was done solely as a crack at history-making or as an attempt to get Hillary supporters, that's not good strategy, nor was it about putting country first. I still say he didn't actually pick her-his advisors did. I'd go so far as to say he might not be as happy with her as you guys believe.
Quote: As for those scandals, Pak, the dems are spreading lies about her.As soon she was announced as a Vice Presidential candidate, all this stupid crap came out about her
Nice. Now they're not even true. Show me which ones are false exactly. I already know the one which some people were saying Trig was her daughter's kid is probably not true. As for the rest?
As for nothing coming about her until after she was announced-nobody cared on a mainstream level. Nobody had a reason to. Nobody much outside of Alaska had even looked her way, including John McCain.
She's getting scrutinized just like McCain and Obama and Biden and she's gonna have to deal with it. Them's the breaks with our sad election process.
Quote: Yeah, her daughter is 17 and pregnant.
For somebody not running for office, it's an everyday thing. For a candidate, it's a minor embarrassment. For a candidate who has a platform of being for abstinence and against condoms to actually have one of their kids expecting and unwed, not to mention below the age of consent, it's a really flashy unforgettable poster against them.
Quote: Besides, Pak, even Obama had the class to admit that family matters are off-limits.
I have to wonder if you just want this little inconvenience to go away or you actually want to stick to issues. I'm talking about all personal matters-including your recent post of Obama going to hell, McCain cheating on his first wife, so on and so on. Either it's all fair game or none of it's fair game-pick one.
Quote: I'm surprised you don't have the sense to see that.
Maybe you're not aware of how that reads in text as opposed to how it might sound in your head when you wrote it. Things like this are not only elitist in tone but insulting. Irony, sarcasm, tone of voice and wittiness are difficult to convey in simple text. I'm asking you nicely to not do this anymore, to me or anyone else here-much like you suggested spockman watch his 'mouth'. __________________
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Quote: If it was done solely as a crack at history-making or as an attempt to get Hillary supporters, that's not good strategy, nor was it about putting country first. I still say he didn't actually pick her-his advisors did. I'd go so far as to say he might not be as happy with her as you guys believe.
I honestly don't think I can argue that McCain did indeed select her. I really don't know if he did, or his advisors did. But in a sense, he was putting his country first. McCain knew that Obama was more popular than him (especially with young people) and he also knew what bad shape America would be in if Obama was elected. So to save his country, he had to choose Palin. He did it for America.
Quote: Maybe you're not aware of how that reads in text as opposed to how it might sound in your head when you wrote it. Things like this are not only elitist in tone but insulting. Irony, sarcasm, tone of voice and wittiness are difficult to convey in simple text. I'm asking you nicely to not do this anymore, to me or anyone else here-much like you suggested spockman watch his 'mouth'.
Hey, I never accused you of being two people, Pak. Do you remember that?
And I said that becuase from your earlier posts, I had picked up that you were very intelligent, and I had expected even you to realize that criticizing Palin's personal life was simply foolish.
Quote: including your recent post of Obama going to hell, McCain cheating on his first wife, so on and so on. Either it's all fair game or none of it's fair game-pick one.
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Quote: I really don't know if he did, or his advisors did.
It was his advisors, without a doubt. He wanted Lieberman, they said no. They wanted Romney, he told them to go screw. After going through a littany of possibilities and not agreeing on anything, they settled on someone out of the clear blue. They did it to at least look like they wanted a win, not for the country's best interest.
If he can't fight the next bout of cancer(heaven forfend), you honestly think she can run this country?
Quote: I never accused you of being two people, Pak. Do you remember that?
I do and I remember apologizing for it as well.
Quote: I had expected even you to realize that criticizing Palin's personal life was simply foolish.
Again, either it's all fair game or none of it is. Why do we have to hear about any of these people's private lives? It should be about who will do the job the best. You want to ignore McCain's infidelity and his wife's drug abuse? That's fine by me. I don't want to hear about Reverend Wright or any of the personal nonsense on Obama's side either. I didn't make it a personality contest.
Quote: including your recent post of Obama going to hell
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Quote: I don't want to hear about Reverend Wright or any of the personal nonsense on Obama's side either.
There is a big difference here. That is a race isssue. If it was reported that Palin was a member of the Klu Klux Klan, I don't think I would not be defensive of her, but that's not what we're talking about. Plus, Wright is about something that Obama has done--which in this case, is being a member of a racist church.
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