Quote: Political analysts Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein criticize John McCain's pick of Sarah Palin for Vice President, and discuss how Palin may affect McCain's chances in the 2008 Presidential Election. This interview was recorded at the Republican National Convention, on September 1, 2008.
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Posted: 03 Sep 2008 17:52
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This guy misses the point. She has more experience running things than Obama. She supports conservative values, and she relates to the base. Without the base nobody will give money and push to get out the vote.
I think the guys in the suits and ties get mad when they think the status quo is going to get disrupted. __________________
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Posted: 03 Sep 2008 18:17
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Quote: She has more experience running things than Obama.
If you're going by her level of office, she has more experience than McCain too.
Quote: I think the guys in the suits and ties get mad when they think the status quo is going to get disrupted.
You might have something there. The entire convention was full of those suit and tie guys, just like the other convention was full of them too.
As for your GOP suit and tie guys, don't you think picking her to snap up Hillary's castoffs might be a little upsetting? For the family values crowd, don't you think this base will be a little more than wary of her daughter being an unwed mother?
She might make a great President someday, but that day is not anytime soon. McCain could have done a lot better. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 03 Sep 2008 18:37
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Quote: don't you think this base will be a little more than wary of her daughter being an unwed mother?
Very few. Only ones that have never had children possibly. It only takes a minute for a girl to screw up and get pregnant. That doesn't necessarily fairly represent the rest of the girl's life.
2. It's her daughter not her. Teens especially make mistakes in these kind of judgment areas. How a person reacts to these kind of situations is very telling as well, and so far Palin has reacted very wisely. __________________
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Posted: 03 Sep 2008 22:20
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You guys got awfully worked up over Clinton's indiscretion and now can easily look the other way?
That's mighty neighborly of ya. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 03 Sep 2008 23:10
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He was the President at the time. Nobody is running the 17 year old girl that made the mistake for anything. I think you guys are the ones being hypocritical. __________________
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Posted: 03 Sep 2008 23:23
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Quote: If you're going by her level of office, she has more experience than McCain too.
Nobody has more experience than McCain, it's chronologically impossible.
I think she was a remarkable choice, and one I had my eye on several months back. __________________
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Posted: 03 Sep 2008 23:54
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Quote: You guys got awfully worked up over Clinton's indiscretion and now can easily look the other way?
That's mighty neighborly of ya.
I'll assume your including me in that group. I was as bothered bu Giuliani's affair or Bob Livingstone's affair as I was Clinton's. What was different for me was Clinton lied to a grand jury, which as it turns out, is illegal __________________
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Posted: 04 Sep 2008 00:06
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Quote: Nobody has more experience than McCain, it's chronologically impossible.
It's like you completely missed the 'level of office' part. Maybe we need to define what we're talking about with 'experience' before comparing people anymore.
Quote: I think you guys are the ones being hypocritical.
Either family matters are public or they are private, you don't get to pick and choose as the feeling suits you.
Quote: What was different for me was Clinton lied to a grand jury, which as it turns out, is illegal
Why exactly was his extramarital business before a grand jury in the first place? That had nothing to do with him doing his job, any more than this girl has to do with Palin doing her job.
You like airing dirty laundry? Don't get upset when some of yours shows up on the line guys. Either it's all fair or none of it's fair. There's no difference between the two. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 04 Sep 2008 00:30
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Quote: You like airing dirty laundry?Don't get upset when some of yours shows up on the line guys.
What in the world are you talking about?
Mr. Clinton was being sued for sexual harassment by Paula Jones. I may be mistaken, but the ball might have started rolling on that before he was elected, I know he knew Paula Jones from his Arkansas days. During the processing of that lawsuit he made multiple false statements and was found guilty of perjury.
So to compare a sitting chief executive lying under oath to a vice presidential candidate openly admitting that her teenage daughter is pregnant is more than a stretch. It's absolute gibberish. And whether you believe it or not, my political agreements with Mrs Palin have nothing to do with my stand on this.
If Mr. Clinton had admitted to his indiscretion, i would have simply thought he was a dirtbag, instead of a dirtbag and a felon. __________________
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Posted: 04 Sep 2008 03:25
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Then we disagree and that's that. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
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She's a cougar. I'd love to bang her. She's grossly underqualified...but I'd bang her.
Posted: 04 Sep 2008 14:37
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spockman if you believe she's under qualified then I know you can't vote for Obama. __________________
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Posted: 04 Sep 2008 16:13
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Something tells me he's not going to drop a 'ballot' on Barack. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
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Posted: 05 Sep 2008 02:15
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By comparison, Pak, I maintain that Giuliani is a dirtbag, but apparently not a felon.
If the best the other side can come up with their shifting definition of 'qualified' and a daughter that got pregnant out of wedlock but is marrying the father.. if that's the best they can come up with, they obviously aren't interested in discussing issues, just character assassination. Business as usual. __________________
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Posted: 05 Sep 2008 02:16
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My only regret is I still have to vote for McCain to get Palin. That's going to be tough. __________________
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Quote: Nobody has more experience than McCain, it's chronologically impossible.
It's like you completely missed the 'level of office' part. Maybe we need to define what we're talking about with 'experience' before comparing people anymore.
I was making a joke about McCain's age, I guess I blew it. __________________
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Posted: 05 Sep 2008 02:44
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Quote: I maintain that Giuliani is a dirtbag
Giuliani is what happens when you take one of the robots from the Disney 'It's a small world' exhibit and replace the recording with '911, terrorist, terrorist'.
Quote: My only regret is I still have to vote for McCain to get Palin.
And yet some remain hopeful for us having our first female president very very soon. Silver lining yes? __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
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I'd also like to bang her daughter. Did you guys see her? Damn. And you know she bangs.
Posted: 05 Sep 2008 15:00
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spockman, Palin would shoot you and hang you up like a Moose head. __________________
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Giuliani is what happens when you take one of the robots from the Disney 'It's a small world' exhibit and replace the recording with '911, terrorist, terrorist'.
Not bad, Pak, not bad. __________________
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Posted: 06 Sep 2008 01:54
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Quote: Please watch the film in its entirety. If Senator John McCain wins this November, he will be the oldest first-term President in history. For the 72-year-old senator who has faced cancer, the selection of a vice president was a matter of utmost seriousness and national importance.
In selecting Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska, a woman who a year and a half ago was the mayor of a city of 8,500 people, and who is now the freshman governor of a state with one-fourth the population of the San Diego metropolitan area, Senator John McCain has put no less than the security of the United States in peril.
In his first presidential decision, Senator John McCain did not put country first. At a time of grave international threat, Senator McCain took a reckless and impulsive gamble in order to make a shallow political statement.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 06 Sep 2008 03:20 Last Edited By: pakratmak
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This one's for you spockman. You're certainly not alone in wanting a moose hunting cougar.
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Posted: 06 Sep 2008 04:16
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So who would you have preferred, Pak? __________________
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Posted: 06 Sep 2008 06:05
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Quote: So who would you have preferred, Pak?
Dr Paul was still a republican last time I checked. Could have rounded out that maverick platform much better. She is much better to look at though. I'll be very surprised if she isn't replaced by Joe Lieberman come crunch time. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 06 Sep 2008 15:13
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Dr. Paul would have been a pretty decent game-changer. Hmm.. I hadn't thought of that. What makes you think they will throw her overboard? __________________
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Posted: 06 Sep 2008 16:28
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It's not definite, but Lieberman was his first choice. Second, up til the convention they were not letting her speak. When she finally does start speaking in public she might not be saying everything they expect her to. She can probably pull this off-maybe not. Next, we have her actual inexperience and lack of credentials-much as so many Rep's are saying otherwise. If we needed someone by the President's side who could field dress a moose, she'd automatically be a contender. This is not the case. Also, we have small little tiny scandal after scandal popping up, which each may be true or not. The fact that she has not had to endure such widescale scrutiny until now will play a major part in keeping her around. There's also the very tangible notion that she was strictly a ploy to pick up Hillary's lost followers who don't like Obama. A lot of reasons not to keep her around.
To her benefit or detriment, McCain may or may not survive another bout of cancer. It's sad, it's unfortunate, it's cold-hearted-but it has to be said. If he didn't make it again the next time, we'd have her running the country. Now either the power players will see this as a horrible possibility, especially if they agree it was all a ploy in the first place, or they will have visions of easily manipulating her.
I can almost hear the news conference now that she has decided that baby Trig needs a more full time mom than her being VP can allow. They bring on Lieberman before the next terror alert(whether just a small made up event or another actual attack), and the GOP just hit the buffet line right there. You know how I love worst case scenarios yes? __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 06 Sep 2008 19:26 Last Edited By: GOParty
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I truly think choosing Palin was a masterstroke. In a sense, having her on the ticket can bring in the votes of so many feminist democrats who were suporting Hilary! JFTR, Giuliani was a fool(though not politically), but the only dirtbag & felon in question is Clinton.
BTW PM, I did get your joke. If Obama were that old, his memoirs would be longer the Encyclopedia Britannica, but with no laws to interrupt the story! And frankly, I wouldn't worry about spockman's input, he's clearly to young to vote anyway!
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Posted: 06 Sep 2008 20:09
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Quote: In a sense, having her on the ticket can bring in the votes of so many feminist democrats who were suporting Hilary!
You must think they were awfully stupid to begin with to fall for it then and ignore the obvious. McCain further damaged his campaign. Palin may indeed be a great leader someday-there's something very Geraldine Ferraro about her, but it's a long distant road between here and now. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 06 Sep 2008 20:10
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As for our earlier talk about all's fair or none's fair preach; this one's for you.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
And frankly, I wouldn't worry about spockman's input, he's clearly to young to vote anyway!
