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Posted:  09 Sep 2008 17:32

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I probably don't need to comment on this, but I now suppose McCain is glad Obama never shows his face in the Capitol. You have any idea how much damage lightning bolts would do?
http://www.youtube.com/v/4FCNKwHRCQM
Rejoice, Bill Clinton! If Obama is elected, then you won't be the only ex-president to BURN IN HELL!

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Posted:  09 Sep 2008 19:57

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I probably don't need to comment on this

Correct. Remember that next time.
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Posted:  09 Sep 2008 20:23

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What makes you think they'd burn in hell?
Posted:  09 Sep 2008 21:02

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GOP, you're shooting off a the mouth a bit there.
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Posted:  09 Sep 2008 21:56

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Interesting video. I wouldn't try to go straight for the throat though if you want the libs to actually watch it though friend.

Bill Clinton might be a Christian. It's possible. He could be a very back slidden Christian. Like nose bleed balcony or outside in the parking lot back slidden.
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Posted:  09 Sep 2008 23:49

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I had thought Bill was catholic for some reason.
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Posted:  10 Sep 2008 00:34

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Some of the comments from that video, in case nobody had bothered to look. Some of the more notable ones:

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It's an smear campaign's edited video, the publisher is leading you to believe he meant things in a different context than which they were originally stated.

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"christ would never advocate turning the other cheek..."
the narrator (some republicans?) must have missed that day of sunday school.

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well the bible also tells me that if I talk to god and he tells me to murder a city I can do so..I think Dubya pulled that one

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" I assure you senator, Jesus would NEVER advocate turning the other cheek to terrorists or America's enemies."

How WRONG you are. And you have the 'cheek' to call yourself a Christian!? Jesus turned the cheek to terrorists and His enemies as they nailed Him to a cross.

You are what we call a neo-con.

When you're own hate of a person extends to twisting Scripture so you can put that hate on display... May God have mercy on your soul.

Jesus would turn the other cheek, and so needs the USA.

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In reading these responses, I'm glad to see that there are many people that actually do read their bibles and are smart enough to listen to the whole speech and not base their opinions on slanted email forwards.

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You people are sick...Why not something positive about McSame? Boy it must be
rough to have such a weak guy running.
that's like two in a row. HUH

your brand of politics is not American..it iw very Un-American. A Patriot Christian

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Separation of church and state is pretty much my only reply to this wackos video. But I would also like to point out what the narrator says right around 1:30.

He says, "Christ would never advocate turning the other cheek to terrorist and Americas
enemies". This to me is tip toeing on the border between selfishness and religous extremeism.

So you are saying that jesus only cares about America? Or are you saying that jesus wants to
destroy our enemies?

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So weak. There's not a single rebuttal of anything he said. Just taking the man out of context and mischaracterizing his remarks as "mocking." WEAK. Its inability to make any rebuttals only reinforces what the man was saying.

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Radical christains are stupid. They always want to get all riled up about something or other. Other religions get slammed & dispresepected on a daily bases (most of the time by christians).Christians are masters of twisting words & taking stuff out of context, so take a look at yourselves. It's not so great getting a taste of your own medicine is it?

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Ahh, impressive bit of cutting and pasting of Obama's speech on faith in this country! Nice try making him seem like he's disrespecting religions, specifically Christianity, but for the smart people who would take the time to watch the entire speech, not the edited version here, you'd know he was warning against theocracies in America. His entire speech was about why faith DOES need to have a place in America, and why all faiths should be included and no one told how to worship.

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The sermon on the mount WAS radical and subversive. Were we to actually heed Jesus's words, we would be peacemakers, meek and merciful, turning our swords to plowshares and striving for community not domination. Obama's point is that this is not a theocracy. If it were, we'd have to throw away the Constitution, the Emancipation Proclamation, The Declaration of Independence and The Bill of Rights. The founding fathers were Christians, not tyrants. Let's follow their examples.

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People post small issues like this to explain why he shouldn't be president because they can't get a grasp on the larger picture of why he should be president. He is a once in a lifetime leader. McCain's are out there and congress is full of them. Can't you imagine how much he is going to shake up the old ways? I know many other people feel the way I do. He speaks from the heart, that's why this posting is here. Because he doesn't lay it down fake and just give you what you wanna here.

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More than half of Americans can NOT name five of the ten commandments. Only 40% of Americans can name all four Gospels.

You are blind to your own ignorance it makes me laugh. You are wrong, wrong WRONG on every point. You can't take three Bible passages out of context and then say he's being arrogant and condescending. You're grasping at very thin straws and it just makes you look like a fucking retard.

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He accurately quoted the bible. He did not take them out of context; the passages
exist exactly as he quoted them. "Out of context" has degenerated into a catchall
refutation without considering whether "context" is necessary to devaluate a quote.
Where is the problem? The MEEK shall inherit the earth. Is there a viable "in context"
explanation how that is compatible with pre-emptive war?

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I didn't see any smugness in his response. Do you think that slavery is ok? God's culture has always been progressive for the time. The only real commandments of God are to love God and love your neighbor as you love yourself. The pretty much sums it all up. Get off Barack case all you racist bastards. Just because he is black and has the name Barack Obama doesn't mean he is evil.

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Excuse me, but on what evidence, exactly, do you base your assertion that "Christ would NEVER [advocate] turning the other cheek on terrorists?" It seems to me that if he didn't take on his own executioners, he wouldn't advocate violence any time, and place, or for any reason.

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is this video supposed to make me want to vote for him more? in that case, mission accomplished.

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makes me want to vote for him too...

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His message, which you took out of context, was that there are dangers governing from the Bible. Scripture can be taken out of context and twisted. He was simply pointing out this danger, by example. He later goes on to say the the words of the Bible should not be used to govern, but the Bible's message can guide leaders.

We have a separation of church and state in this country for a reason. Our leaders should not govern from the Bible, but should still be guided by their faith.

By a user named Jerryfalwell, no less
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as a Christian, I am ashamed of my fellow Christians for backing these WARMONGER republicans, who do not reflect Jesus' values.

Obama is not the best, but he clearly inspires people to believe America can do BETTER than we have - so GOD BLESS HIM!

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Wait. Did he really say that Christ would NOT advocate turning the other cheek? Who said there were exceptions to grace?

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McCain...thats your choice, go for it. but dont do it based on crappy edited videos like this which take everything out of context and try to grab any stupid little reason to attack a candidate. Also...as ChristoDiata stated...McCain graduated at the bottom of his class so when u accuse a candidate of being stupid or unable to comprehend simple things...maybe you should get to know your candidate first.

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Whoever put this BIASED video together is so PROFOUNDLY IGNORANT that anyone who is half intelligent will reject its claims at once!! This is yet another show of phoniness of our conservative friends.

Maybe we should ask the people that put his video together if they REALLY follow Leviticus to the tee, like Leviticus 11 where God prohibits eating PORK. NO WAY!!
There's NOTHING WRONG with Obama's analysis!!! He is so profound and intelligent that these ignorant people think he is attacking the Bible, when he is in fact upholding its tenets.

The Sermon of the Mount is the MOST RADICAL biblical passage, in a good way and I agree with Obama 100%. The problem is that we have WATERED DOWN the Sermon of the Mount...

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Hey dude! Jesus ALREADY turned the other cheek to terrorists and ALL OF HUMANITY. Jesus is the Savior of all people especially those who believe.


That was about half of page one, which I borrowed about a third from to quote here. I'm thinking of handing out personal invites to this site to each of them, just to chat with you GOParty.
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Posted:  10 Sep 2008 01:00

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I believe I posted this before, but I'll post it again, just for the heck of it.

Faith and politics in a pluralistic society. Listen to the speech, then form an opinion.

Part 1


Part 2


Part 3


Part 4


Part 5

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Posted:  10 Sep 2008 07:50

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I had thought Bill was catholic for some reason.

Always remember Steve, Bill and Hilary Clinton are practicing whatever the religion is of the people they're being paid to speak to. And when they're not speaking, they're whatever religion the polls tell them to be.

I apologize if I was too harsh in my criticism of Obama, but twisting the holy word as he did to suit one's taste, particularly to influence others' thinking IMHO is tantamount to blasphemy, and I can't think of a single practicing Christian who wouldn't listen to that speech without being offended.
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What makes you think they'd burn in hell?

I believe the eternal condemnation will come down on the Clintons because I have never seen Hilary repentant for any of her dishonest actions, and I only see Bill put on a show of insincere penitence when he gets caught.

As for Obama? May God have mercy on his soul.

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Posted:  10 Sep 2008 14:04

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Who knows what will happen to them. We can only pray that they can fix their ways and find God. Right?
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You're right of course, Steve. But knowing the Clintons, they won't even consider finding the Lord, let alone follow Him, unless the polls tell them to.

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It's funny, but as a nonbeliever, hearing you judge whos fit or worthy enough to be going anyplace after they've died sounds hellworthy in itself.

It's not my book-you tell me, GOParty.

Let me try it in your language.

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But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 5:22

According to that, you should be at least a little sorry now yes?

Please stop.
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I'll admit I do feel a little uncomfortable saying that the Clintons are going to hell. i agree with GOParty thatt their actions have indicated a great lack of morality, but I won't say they will burn in hell because there is still a chance. Its not to late to repent.

As for your verse from the Bible, Pak, the phrase that sticks out the most is "without a cause".
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the phrase that sticks out the most is "without a cause".

You don't determine where they go or why, therefore you have no cause.

That message was to GOParty actually. I saw nothing wrong with what you said.
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That message was to GOParty actually. I saw nothing wrong with what you said.


I know. I just wanted to give my input.

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You don't determine where they go or why, therefore you have no cause.


A man can have a cause to be "angry with his brother." It could be anything that the brother did that was morally wrong.
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It could be anything that the brother did that was morally wrong.

Aside from being President, what had Clinton done wrong that McCain himself has not? This should be fascinating.

I figured this was better than throwing 'judge not lest ye be judged' at you, though it doesn't hurt to keep this in mind either.
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Aside from being President, what had Clinton done wrong that McCain himself has not? This should be fascinating.


Perjury.
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Perjury.

You got me there. I should have said Bush too then.
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What about Bush?
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What about Bush?

You certainly are not going to tell me you think Bush never lied, are you?
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Bush never lied when? Before he became president?
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34930
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I'd love to tell you that's crap, but I can't right now, because I'm going to have to look for a second opinion.
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It's funny, but as a nonbeliever, hearing you judge whos fit or worthy enough to be going anyplace after they've died sounds hellworthy in itself
Sigh.. when you're right, you're right, Pak.  And as the site expert on such manners (by default, after all I am the preacher man) assuming that GOP's assessment of the Clinton's spiritual condition is correct, let me throw another verse out there.
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Steve is still right, but JFTR, I'm not judging so much as predicting the inevitable result of the life of dishonesty and immorality that both the Clintons have led. (Out of curiosity pak, what IS your book?)
Nevertheless, I could scream exactly what I said right in their faces, and while Hillary would deny everything and point the finger at her husband(or the Republicans), Bill could be frightened by the prospect of judgement, but would still check a poll before he repented, and even then he might not.

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(Out of curiosity pak, what IS your book?)

I have several. One of my favorites:
Cruel tricks for dear friends. Penn & Teller.

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I'm not judging so much...

If that helps ya sleep at night...
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I know that Christians are often criticized for judging too much, and people think that makes them hypocritical, because we're not supposed to be judgemental.

So let's analyze the following statement.

"You ought not to judge."

Is that not a judgement?
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because we're not supposed to be judgemental.

It's not a matter of judging things, actions or people. It's proclaiming that judgment over someone else like you have authority over them-that's the issue. It's one thing to not approve of someone or their behavior-it's quite another to condemn them for it. If you couldn't make judgments you'd have to shut off your mind-you and I can't help but make judgments-just the way it is.

Unless we are actually in charge of this other individual, whether a child or a prisoner or a student, we do not have the right to hold them to our standard unless they are infringing upon us somehow. You can express concern, see if they need help, offer some advice or even lend a hand where necessary-claiming authority where you have none is out of the question.

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"You ought not to judge."

Is that not a judgement?
 
That's more like advice or a warning as a result to a judgment, depending on the motivation of the person saying it.
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My point here is that we are all judgemental. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I believe it is our moral obligation to judge.
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I wouldn't go so far as calling it a moral obligation but I do agree that we are all judgmental. Where I disagree is how some people(actually alot of people unfortunately) take those judgments and do the wrong thing with them.

What's the wrong thing? The immoral thing.
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And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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