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Political Discussion / Politics / Politics and Entertainment / if a US politician doesn't love "24," how can he be trusted to keep america safe?

Posted:  31 Aug 2007 06:56
i saw this article in the june 18th issue of Macleans magazine. if you're canadian then you've undoubtedly heard of Macleans. it has a very good reputation for honest unbiased reporting as do most things i read.(sorry if that sounded all snobby) anyway, i thought i might reprint it here since i've noticed alot of americans really take "24" seriously. let me know what you guys think. it's titled: "Kiefer Sutherland for president"   here goes: At the republican presidential candidates' debate in south carolina last month, moderator Brit Hume asked the would-be presidents how they would interrogate a suspected terrorist if "US intelligence believes that another large attack is planned and could come at any time." everyone knew where the Fox news anchor got that scenario:24, where almost every episode involves jack bauer torturing a suspect to get information about an imminent attack. a long-shot candidate, Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo, even replied, "i'm looking for jack bauer at that time, let me tell you," and got applauded for it. the debate may not have been a turning point in the primaries, but it was a defining moment for the influence of 24. republicans used to want to be ronald reagan. now they want to be jack bauer. the debate-which featured such bauer-esque moments as rudy giuliani's proclamation that he would approve the use of "every method [he] could think of"-wasn't the first example of 24's political importance. last year, the conservative Heritage Foundation sponsored a symposium on 24 and counterterrorism, and one of the panelists was Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff, longing to be with an organization as good as jack bauer's: "i wish we could have instant communications and i wish we had systems that didn't go down." Kiefer Sutherland was too busy to be on the panel, but the guy in charge of real-life counterterrorism had nothing better to do than talk about 24. conservative writers are particularly in love with the idea that 24 isn't just a TV show, but a model for how terrorism should be handled in real life. after the debate, Michael Goldfarb, online editor of the influential conservative magazine the Weekly Standard, praised Tancredo as offering "the best response" because he invoked bauer by name. but Goldfarb also claimed that torture-skeptic John McCain offered "a 24-style policy on torture" (since Jack doesn't like torturing people even though he does it every week). even people who aren't candidates yet have to take a position on 24. to find out if Law and Order's Fred Thompson would be worth supporting for president, Goldfarb checked to make sure Thompson was right on one essential issue: "a reliable source informs us that 24 is the former senator's favorite show." the best republican president, in this view, is the one who is the most influenced by viewings of 24; if a guy doesn't love the show, he can't be trusted to keep america safe. not only has jack bauer become a model for future republican presidents, his exploits are used as the model for republican policies. Zalmai Azmi, who has been chief information officer of the FBI since 2004, told the Wall Street Journal that his aim was to make the FBI more like 24's secret agency, CTU. Bauer "always has the right information available at the right time," Azmi enthused. "that's the goal for the FBI." no matter how much politicians learn from 24, many rank-and-file republican voters feel they still haven't learned enough. Joseph Farah, creator of the conservative opinion site WorldNetDaily.com (whose columnists include noted intellectual Chuck Norris), wrote an article demanding a candidate as ruthless and violent as jack bauer. even after the south carolina debate, Farah was dissatisfied. "It was the republicans who fought the war with one hand tied behind their backs because they didn't want to be politically incorrect," he told Maclean's. Republicans, he added, "let the silly antics of Abu Ghraid actually interfere with their conduct of the war in Iraq. please don't confuse jack bauer with the wimps of the republican party!" liberals have been pushing back against republican positions on torture, but they've been pushing even harder against republicans' attempt to co-opt 24 as their own. liberal blogger Taylor Marsh wrote a widely linked article entitled "Jack Bauer is a Democrat." the show's conservative fans, she insisted, are overlooking its true liberal message about the evils of rich white people. the message was clear from both sides: to enjoy 24, political partisans have to believe that it supports their positions. Fox has renewed 24 for two more seasons, which guarantees that it will be on through the 2008 elections and beyond. that means that when the republicans choose their presidential nominees, we might learn more about the party's counterterrorism policies from the Fox Network than Fox News.
Posted:  31 Aug 2007 15:17
Well here's my position on the torture in 24. Occassionally I'm like why don't they use truth serum or something instead of going straight for the torture. But half the time it's some ruthless sob that doesn't care a million people are about to be killed. It's hard to sit there and say, ok let the million people die so we can feel good about our morals. If I had the stomache I'd do the same thing as Bauer. Hurt one bad guy to save millions. No brainer.

On the other hand sometimes they jump the gun on that show. Mistreating a prisoner isn't something I would take lightly. It ought be like last resort based on knowledge we are screwed if we don't.

24 is cool. Jack is a like a modern day wyatt earp or something you know. Rambo with a shirt on. Terminator with humanity. Batman without the costume.
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Posted:  31 Aug 2007 16:27
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/06/20/justice-scalia-hearts-jack-bauer/
Posted:  31 Aug 2007 22:21
WEll you all know how i feel about torture read "radical Muslims".... I'm sworn to protect all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC the minute they cause problems here too bad your rights are impractical and danger this country...you will get a beating, and if they were not tortured here  in America  "oops" guess it never happened, but to save millions of lives for one person's beating ... I wouldn't have a problem with it... because if i got caught you know i would get tortured and then my head loped off with a dull butter knife or spoon

I don't care if we are America and were better than that whole speech  ok we'll not let the guy sleep for a week and then pour water on him and slap him till his skin is red then he'll talk right,

But if the guy planted a dirty bomb here in America and we needed to find it.... oh yeah everybody here wouldn't have a problem with it especially if it was in there town... so i'm all for Jack letting the beating comince and let the answers roll....
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i'm telling you the MOAB will solve all our problems
Posted:  03 Sep 2007 07:05
How about a politician that's too busy working to watch TV?

Madness.

I Know.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles