(CNN) — Former Bush Secretary of State Colin Powell said Monday that he has not yet decided which candidate to back in this year’s presidential race.
The election of an African-American president “would be electrifying,” Powell told a George Washington University audience, “but at the same time [I have to] make a judgment here on which would be best for America.
“I have been watching both individuals, I know them both extremely well, and I have not decided who I am going to vote for. And I'm interested to see what the debates are going to be like because we have to get off of this ‘lipstick on a pig’ stuff and get into issues,” he said.
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I do wish Colin Powell was running!
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I'm really surprised by this. I expected Powell to immiedately support McCain. __________________
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Explain to me, please, the allure of a Colin Powell campaign. what makes him such a good candidate? Although I admire his military background and he seems like a fairly even-keeled, non-partisan type, I have yet to understand people's fascination with him. __________________
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Another vote for moving toward actual issues.
Seconded. __________________
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I just heard he's endorsing Obama. I can't believe it. And I would have thought Powell would have more sense than that. Boy was I wrong. __________________
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Powell's son is supporting McCain according to Rush.
No one wants to say it except for Rush, but Powell is only supporting Obama because of race.
Like Rush said show me the list of white liberals with no experience that Powell has supported and I'll believe he made his choice without race in mind. __________________
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Quote: No one wants to say it except for Rush, but Powell is only supporting Obama because of race.
I was thinking the same thing. But another possible reason could be because Obama offered him a position as an advisor. I heard that today. But I do agree race is probably the main issue here. __________________
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That's because all you guys see is race. Tim, are you referring to Rush Limbaugh? Your dumber than I thought.
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Powell listed his reasons on Meet the Press. Mystery solved.
Rush is another blowhard news entertainer. __________________
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Quote: That's because all you guys see is race.
Now ain't that the pot calling the kettle black!
Powell isn't going to say on national television I'm supporting Obama because he's black. What kind of help would that be in enlisting white voters? Of course he's going to say it's because he believes in the great one. __________________
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Quote: Now ain't that the pot calling the kettle black!
Nice pun. Now how about explaining what that means exactly?
Quote: Powell isn't going to say on TV I'm supporting Obama because he's black.
How quickly the worm turns. Just like those Republicans at a recent McCain rally who started booing McCain because he said Obama was: "not a terrorist" and that McCain's followers didn't need "to be afraid if Obama was elected prez." What do you have to say about all the generals in your military who have come out in support of Obama? You guys seem to have excuses for everything. I guess Tim and GOParty and Steve Rogers all know better than:
Boy I feel bad for McCain. Everything he's worked for and stood for has been sold down the river. Imagine having to pander to THOSE people for the vote.
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Quote: Nice pun. Now how about explaining what that means exactly?
You never heard of that before? What were you born yesterday? __________________
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He seems kinda young Tim. Maybe he actually has not heard that particular phrase before? __________________
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One thing spockman you do realize that while I do enjoy politics to some degree, it's only out of a love for my country that I bother to discuss these things. Politics isn't everything.
In other words I do have a life other than politics. As bitchy as you sound I think you need some other hobbies. I know you collect comics. Do you go into comic shops running around looking for republicans to start stuff with? I mean come on. Get real dude.
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Quote: Now how about explaining what that means exactly?
It means that you're saying all we see is race, when that applies to you libs more than it does us. __________________
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Quote: applies to you libs more than it does us.
That's very debatable for all areas and topics involved in present day politics in general.
Specifically for this campaign however, the McCain supporters and his camp have made it far more of an issue purposely to distract voters from real issues. Like the celebrity thing, and the Reverend Wright thing, and the Bill Ayers thing, and the new Acorn thing. All distractions from actual concerns we have and actual problems that need to be addressed and dealt with.
Specifically on the topic of Powell supporting Obama, that was almost entirely the craftwork of individuals like Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh to make it a race issue instead of responding to what Powell specifically pointed out as his actual reasons. This can be seen clearly(if you honestly look at it with your own good judgment) as an attempt to minimalize Powell's opinions by appealing to the conservative base that he was acting on base emotions instead of using good judgment when endorsing Obama and removing his original endorsement of McCain. __________________
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Pak, I'm talking about the liberals playing the race card all the time. Also, hate crime legislation.
Quote: Specifically on the topic of Powell supporting Obama, that was almost entirely the craftwork of individuals like Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh to make it a race issue instead of responding to what Powell specifically pointed out as his actual reasons. This can be seen clearly(if you honestly look at it with your own good judgment)
Okay I understand totally where you're coming from here, just remember how this part of the conversation started, Spock made the statement "That's because all you guys see is race" and the conservative side responded by pointing out that it is the liberals that are usually playing the race card, not us. This doesn't back up that we do it all the time since this is the main issue we're debating. Right?
Reverend Wright has become a real issue. Or at least it was anyway. When someone who supports a major presidential candidate comes out and openly makes clearly racist statements--its an issue.
Celebrity thing? Specify what you mean please.
Bill Ayers and Acorn don't apply here. __________________
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Quote: Reverend Wright has become a real issue.
He was never, should have never been and never should be considered a real issue in the future. Palin's daughter getting pregnant? Same thing. McCain cheating on his first wife? Same thing. Bill Ayers and Acorn do indeed apply here, as neither one of those is a real issue-though Acorn does have the potential for becoming an issue, unlike the rest. As it stands right now for Acorn, it looks like a pre-emptive strike to discount the upcoming election by McCain's camp before it even happens. It may turn out to be true, it might just be a smart tactic-the jury is still out on Acorn, at least for the moment.
The celebrity thing was the McCain camp's string of attacks on Obama having glamour but no substance-another non-issue distraction. __________________
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Quote: McCain cheating on his first wife? Same thing.
Call me ignorant but I haven't heard about this. I may have been under a rock when this came out.
Quote: Palin's daughter getting pregnant?
But Reverend Wright is Obama's pastor of twenty years. Wright's views reflect on Obama because of this. Now I'm assuming you'll say the same, but the situation with Palin is different. She can't control her daughter, she can't forsake her but Obama could have left the Church if he felt Wright's beliefs contradicted his own.
Quote: Bill Ayers and Acorn do indeed apply here, as neither one of those is a real issue
Oh okay but I said that they didn't apply because I thought we were talking about racial issues only. __________________
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Quote: I haven't heard about this.
Not that I want to make something of this, but it is out there already.
Quote: In his forties, John McCain cheated for several years on his first wife, Carol McCain, who was raising their 3 young children.
Quote: But Reverend Wright is Obama's pastor of twenty years.
Nonissue. Has NO bearing on his performance if elected. You can believe it has some merit if you're comparing his faith with your own, but it has none in the political arena except as a diversionary tactic. __________________
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Quote: You can believe it has some merit if you're comparing his faith with your own, but it has none in the political arena except as a diversionary tactic.
Good point. But do you think this can possibly affect the civil rights issues? Say for example, hate crimes? __________________
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I believe hate crime legislation is what they call the good intentions that pave the way to proverbial hell. It's intended as a deterrant toward acting out against particular groups which has serious backfire potential.
When our leaders will stop resorting to detours around the full intentioned meanings in the Constitution, we will have absolutely no concerns about civil rights.
Obama and McCain are both Christians-they hold moral examples from the same singular source with the only tangible difference being the individuals guiding them on interpretting that source. Neither one will be worse or better for civil rights based on that source alone, or the guide they each have had for that source. They each might have other factors to contend with, possible motivations that are not crystal clear at the moment, which could certainly be a threat to us all as far as civil rights and foreign relations are concerned. History will hold us accountable fully for whichever one enters that office and takes full advantage of the foundation the Bush administration has laid out for them. Whichever one gets the 'win', will lead us very high or very low, very quickly. Prepare yourself. __________________
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Not that it matters, but didn't they say on the video he started cheating in 1977. He wasn't married to her till 1997. He married that other gal along time ago didn't he so where's the 20 years coming from?
Anyways still not something you want out there on a candidate but it's easier to forgive something when the candidate says they were wrong.
Obama says Wright was wrong, but to my knowledge has never admitted a lapse in judgement for sitting under the leftist pastor for 20 years. Which means in the end he still assumes the pastor is right.
Maybe he can't admit to having a lapse in judgment politically. I do understand that, but to get forgiveness for something and to make people think you have really changed you have to admit that what you did was wrong.
McCain has admitted he was wrong. Plus the affairs were like over 30 years ago. __________________
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Quote: Obama says Wright was wrong.... Which means in the end he still assumes the pastor is right.
Do you write things like this with a straight face actually? He says the guy was wrong but you know better than him and everyone else that this is really just secret code?
It's really kind of sad what you have to keep doing here. You give a big thumbs up to McCain for an action he did but slam the other guy for who his pastor was based on nothing but that his pastor says things you disagree with. Rediculous double standard. Take em both out of the equation or dole out the responsibility properly. __________________
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It's not a double standard. It's about understanding what Obama really believes. As I've said modern libs try to hide their liberalism. He's been indoctrinated for 20 years by Wright. That's at least one message a week for 20 years of anti-American sentiment. __________________
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Quote: It's not a double standard.
When I posted Obama's speech about faith you said very clearly that you felt politicians had no business discussing religion. Also, when you can find the ad, you post that nonsense about him being the messiah and mock it up about worshipping him. The real icing on the cake though, is how you now have to keep pushing Wright as an issue. Let's decorate that cake a bit further with how you forgive things by McCain and Palin you would not for a democrat or a liberal. You are a hypocrite here of the highest order and this is indeed a double standard. The bottom line is that you disagree with the Reverend and think somehow Obama owes you an apology for it.
I won't even address the nonsense of Wright's supposed anti-American/racist preachings. You have to cope with that, not me.
I want to be clear here. You don't need to justify why you voted for McCain. You're entitled to your opinions and to vote for whoever you want, for whatever reasons you might have. I don't fault you for either one-please forgive if it ever sounds like this-that's not my intention. What I take issue with is the double standard itself(that would be on this and a few other places if you want to discuss those as well). What I take issue with is any individual taking an already distorted message and further twisting it. What I also take issue with is how we're constantly manipulated and divided by the media and the politicians when we should be working toward unity instead of fighting each other on manufactured battle lines.
Can we please just get around to some honesty around here? __________________
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This seemed related here. Watch her dance Tim.
Quote: Every cycle it seems there's one numbskull pol who comes up with an out of the blue unforced error which takes them from safe reelection to top on the endangered species list overnight. This year it's Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), execrable congresswoman from Minnesota. And in today's episode we tell her very, very sorry tale.
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What double standard. McCain doesn't have a crazy preacher from the 60's.
Look it's all vital to show the public that Obama's mindset is a very 1960's extreme liberal view of the world.
If you like that kind of mindset and we know you do, then good for you, but don't get mad when we conservatives point it out.
His preacher of 20 years is a wacked out reject from the 1960's. Don't make me post more videos. If you sit under a pastor for 20 years most likely you believe what he does at least generally speaking.
His buddy Ayers is a 1960's hippy terrorist.
The next thing you'll be telling me is that Obama is a true conservative.
About the lady politician here. Politicians should always stick to their guns and not go back out of fear. Tell what you believe and don't hold back. That's what I say. I don't have any problem in saying that Obama has a lot of un-American view points. They might not appear that way to him, but to me they sure look like it. __________________
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