Quote: Lawrence Krauss talks about how science is being abused and misused in politics.... and why it is harmful to America's prosperity.
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Quote: Science as he defines it, no doubt.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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The problem with science is that more often than not it can be twisted to fit the purposes of those seeking power. Like global warming for instance. True science is good, no doubt about it.
Of course I never utilize science used in the medical profession because I never go to the doctor. __________________
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Quote: The problem with science is that more often than not it can be twisted to fit the purposes of those seeking power.
Was not too long ago you absolutely disagreed that there was anything at all wrong with the environment. Are you being sarcastic or have you changed your stance here? __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
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Posted: 19 Sep 2008 18:10
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Actually what I am saying is that global warming I believe is being used by politicians to grab more power for the government.
Putting that aside though what I do believe is there needs to be action taken to help clean up the environment just so you can fish the lakes, and go hiking in the Smokey Mountains without suffocating from all the carbon dioxide.
If that makes you global warming people happy then it's fine by me.
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Oh and don't put scientologists and the creation museum in the same category. Whether you believe it or not creationists do use science to make their arguments. Scientology is a cult that takes thousands of dollars from unsuspecting rich liberal actors that don't know any better. __________________
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Quote: I believe is being used by politicians to grab more power for the government.
I'll go so far as to say that Gore was using it as a tool somewhat. How and who else do you mean?
Quote: there needs to be action taken to help clean up the environment just so you can fish the lakes, and go hiking in the Smokey Mountains without suffocating from all the carbon dioxide.
You do realize the flooding in New Orleans and more recently in Texas are results of the climate change? You also do understand there's more far reaching global effects with lives in the balance than whether or not you can fish and hike correct?
I'd also like to hear what action should be taken and by who, so it isn't a power grab by an evil politician and you can also drill, drill, drill all over the place.
Quote: don't put scientologists and the creation museum in the same category.
Same sandbox, different shovels.
Quote: do use science to make their arguments
If you call circumventing it for support, maybe. Otherwise, miracles are not peer reviewable. Science or any of it's processes DO NOT include the supernatural to explain anything. Ken Ham should be sharing a cell with Kent Hovind for defrauding the public with that rediculous museum.
Quote: Scientology is a cult that takes thousands of dollars from unsuspecting rich liberal actors that don't know any better.
They use actors to draw others in. It's the common folk that get utterly destroyed apparently. I can post some of the horror stories if you like. __________________
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Quote: I'll go so far as to say that Gore was using it as a tool somewhat. How and who else do you mean?
Anytime people propose regulations by the government you have to be careful as it requires a bigger government to enforce those regulations.
If the planet is getting warmer it isn't necessarily because of what mankind is doing. Besides why can't you be happy I'm for cleaning up the environment. If that's all you want as an environmentalists, why isn't that good enough? Do I have to believe exactly the same as you too?
I don't think drilling is bad as long as it's done right. Better we drill than other countries with no regulations.
Quote: Same sandbox, different shovels.
Don't be a jerk alright. You know good and well there's a huge difference between a Christian and a scientologists.
Quote: Ken Ham should be sharing a cell with Kent Hovind for defrauding the public with that rediculous museum.
You would do well to consider everyone else in the world isn't an atheists.
I know you believe I'm far to the right, but really I'm not. I'd say I'm about right where most Americans are maybe just a little bit more conservative, but be honest pak you are way way way on the other side far far far left.
You should consider that overall when you make your arguments. I bet as you get older you'll grow more conservative yourself. It's a natural progression like listening to country music as we get older. Well I still don't listen to that much country unless it's got a beat, but you get the drift. __________________
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Quote: it requires a bigger government to enforce those regulations.
That would either be people regulating themselves or paying a business to do it for them. Kinda empty? What would you have someone/anyone do?
Quote: Besides why can't you be happy I'm for cleaning up the environment.
yahoo? My only concern is you're still unaware of what the exact problems are.
Quote: I don't think drilling is bad as long as it's done right.
Great. What does 'right' mean?
Quote: You know good and well there's a huge difference between a Christian and a scientologists.
I never compared you or any other Christian with a Scientologist, or Christianity with Scientology. That was specifically Scientology and that bogus museum.
Quote: You would do well to consider everyone else in the world isn't an atheists
You'd do well to finally grasp that museums and science are not for folklore and mythology.
Quote: I know you believe I'm far to the right,
You prove it almost every time you post nonsense about Obama, the economy, morality, science, oil drilling and big business. Almost everything you post directly in response to me when you take some sort of stance on something is a sound bite from Fox News or a special quote from a neo-con or religious blog. The only time I see the centrist of the character you play here is when talking about TV shows or comics. Yes, I believe you're as far right as you could possibly be, by what you put on display in these forums.
Quote: It's a natural progression like listening to country music as we get older.
I listen to everything from Metal to Goth to Punk to Rock to Rap to the Blues to Country to Mainstream to Opera, Jazz and Gospel. On special days when I can get it tuned in, I'll even listen to Gregorian chants or Hindi music.
I should be half past dead by your example. I feel fine though. I promise. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Environmentalists can do all the ad campaigns and whatever they want. I think that's fine. I think that leads to businesses taking care of themselves to sell their products to the public like fuel efficient cars.
I'm not against the government making sure there are requirements for water treatment plants and such. I'm just for smaller less intrusive government. I'm afraid the liberal dems will use the global warming to get elected for one, and two to create laws that don't really clean up the environment only waste money. Environment is important but common sense is required and the government has very little of that.
If the government had any sense people wouldn't lose their property to protect wildlife without fair compensation. People come first. That's my bottom line.
Quote: Great. What does 'right' mean?
It means using the latest technology and equipment to get the job done right and cleanly without any oil spills.
To tell you the truth, I think it would much cleaner to drill way back in Alaska than in the ocean. A lot harder to clean up a oil spill in the ocean I would think. And Alaska has no hurricanes.
Quote: that bogus museum.
You know I take offense to that kind of hateful attitude.
Quote: sound bite from Fox News
Gee, I haven't picked up Fox for at least a couple of months. I'm going through withdrawals though watching CNN all the time. Man are they liberal.
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Quote: fuel efficient cars.
Who determines what this is?
Quote: If the government had any sense people wouldn't lose their property
Decide if you want to discuss eminent domain, politics in general or the environment. It's hard to discuss when they're slammed together like this.
Quote: It means using the latest technology and equipment to get the job done right
Doing something right means doing it right....
What?
Quote: You know I take offense to that kind of hateful attitude.
You're not the museum, you'll have to get over it. It's an honest assessment, not hate speech-it is a bogus institution to further divide the faithful not only from reality but some more of their money.
Quote: Man are they liberal.
They are as close to the center as you're going to get on your cable box. Compare them with MSNBC and then get back to me.
Quote: Unless of course you live like Hugh Hefner all your life.
Hate to risk hurting your feelings again, but if I'm actually given a choice between living like Hef or most of the rest of the population of the US....
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Quote: listen to everything from Metal to Goth to Punk to Rock to Rap to the Blues to Country to Mainstream to Opera, Jazz and Gospel. On special days when I can get it tuned in, I'll even listen to Gregorian chants or Hindi music.
Only you, Pack Rat. Never have I seen such a variety. __________________
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Music is universal.
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I listen to rock all the time, and I like jazz too I guess.
You know I read your list again and the only genre I noticed that you left out is Classical. Did you just forget it, or is this is the one type of music you don't like? __________________
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Posted: 20 Sep 2008 04:54
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There isn't a type I don't like per se, more of a hierarchy. I don't exclude any from my listening. I'm more into rock and hard rock and such above all the others though.
Classical is on the low end, same neighborhood as opera, chamber music, zydeco, reggaeton etc. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
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Quote: chamber music, zydeco, reggaeton
What the heck are those?
Quote: I'm more into rock and hard rock
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Chamber is a type of classical with a really small group of players(like they can fit in a chamber). Less of a wall of sound and each instrument stands up on it's own better.
Zydeco is like a jug band or bluegrass but with a steel drum and some cajun flavor.(Don't try to understand the words-you've been warned).
Reggaeton is a type of spanish dance music that features rap-type accentuation on the lyrics. (I'm sure there's a better definition but that's the best I can give you). Alot of people in my immediate vicinity love this stuff and occasionally I hear a good one. Here's one about Obama for the heck of it.
And for sitting thru those, try some of these to shake them off. They're a little aged now so I'm probably safe in saying they should be new to you.
Mordred 'Falling away'
Skatenigs 'Loudspeaker'
Sisters of Mercy 'Under the Gun'
Rosetta Stone 'Leave me for dead'
Smithereens 'Blood and Roses'
This one you might know, but this is the live 'unplugged' version-priceless.
Concrete Blond 'Everybody Knows'
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 20 Sep 2008 07:01
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I never heard of any of those bands. When I first saw the name "Under the Gun" I had thought it was a remake of a different song I like very much, but after listening to it, I figured out it wasn't. I don't got time right now to watch all those, I'll watch the rest of them later.
While we're on the subject of music, Pak, (its weird not arguing isn't it?) what is your favorite rock band? __________________
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Posted: 20 Sep 2008 07:18
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I can't pick one favorite.
I started to do a list and stopped as it probably wouldn't answer your question very well.
Did you have a particular type of music in mind? __________________
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Rock. The bands I listen to the most are Boston, Foghat, Foreigner, the Scorpions, Rush, Honeymoon Suite and Aldo Nova. Of course I like plenty other bands as well, but those are my favorites.
Oh, and I like instrumental rock too, like Joe Satriani and Eric Johnson. __________________
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Aerosmith
Bad Religion
Concrete Blonde
Depeche Mode
Eagles
Faith No More
Guns N Roses
Hendrix
INXS
Journey
Korn
Linkin Park
Metallica
No Doubt
Ozzy
Pantera
Queen
Ratt
Stone Sour
Three Days Grace
U2
Van Morrison
Whitesnake
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Yardbirds
ZZTop
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Let me try it:
Aldo Nova
Boston
CCR
Deep Purple
Electric Light Orchestra
Foghat
Grand Funk Railroad
Heart
Iron Butterfly {Their song In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida is pretty good, I think}
Journey
Kinks
Loverboy
Montrose
Nugent, Ted
Orion the Hunter
Planet P
{no Q bands that I like}
Rainbow
Scorpions
Triumph
{I could say U2, but I don't really know enough of their songs to put them down here.}
Van Halen
Whitesnake
{No X bands either}
Y&T
ZZ Top __________________
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