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| Posted: 31 Aug 2007 21:41 |
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Ok Democrats based on what you know if the primary were held today who would you vote for?
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| Posted: 31 Aug 2007 21:49 Last Edited By: Tim |
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I'm not a democrat but if I could choose in the Dems primary I'd go with Edwards. Just seems more likeable a guy. I don't think politically he has much I'd agree with though.
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| Posted: 31 Aug 2007 21:51 |
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Well, we know anyone with a D behind his name gets no love from you, tim.
edwards or obama … i'd probably go obama.
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| Posted: 01 Sep 2007 15:48 |
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Thing is believe me or not, I read an article about Obama's church and his pastor is like really into ant-white America messages. He's like a racist. Otherwise I might think Obama was a decent pick for a democrat.
http://reallypolitical.com/article26.htm has a link to the article.
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| Posted: 01 Sep 2007 16:00 |
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NewsMax is kind of sketchy source, but I'll dig around for a more respected news site. Frankly, if that was true, it would be all over the news. Remember the "mainstream media" went after Clinton pretty harshly.
Even so, do you think Obama would be rounding white people up or issuing executive orders that give blacks a more exalted place in society?
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| Posted: 01 Sep 2007 16:08 |
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Well, the pastor does have an afro-centric point of view … not a big concern to me … though i could see it being used aginst him in a general election by a member the old white mens club aka the GOP.
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| Posted: 01 Sep 2007 20:44 |
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Gee, funny how you turn a democrat's prejudice back against the GOP. I forgot of course that it's a physical impossibility that a Democrat could be prejudice. What was I thinking?
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| Posted: 01 Sep 2007 21:03 |
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democrat's prejudice
i read nothing that convinced me that Obama is prejudiced. And calling the GOP an old white man's club isn't saying they're racist. The overwhelming majority of the GOP is made up of white men, as evidenced by its presidential candidates.
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| Posted: 01 Sep 2007 22:10 |
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I'm not white.
just kidding. Got you there didn't I.
There are a lot of people from different races that are republican.
I hope that the republican party does a few things in the coming years. One weed out the hypocrites. Two return to conservative values, and three make a bigger effort to reach the black community. I think conservatism is good for all men of all colors and races.
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| Posted: 01 Sep 2007 22:26 |
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Conservatism maybe, but just not Republican policies.
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| Posted: 01 Sep 2007 22:36 |
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Principle before party I always say.
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| Posted: 02 Sep 2007 01:43 |
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Primary today? I'd probably go with Obama. I think he can bring the country together. Electorally speaking, he's got the best of some not great odds.
I'm 99% sure the nominee will be Hilary. That is too bad, since now we have to pray that name recognition gets us a sane President instead of the nutballs who currently headline the GOP side. Then we can look forward to at least 4 years of INTENSE partisan warfare, one of history's nastiest elections in 2012. if Hilary really did kill Vince Foster to shut him up, then she would have already disposed of Limbaugh before she declared her candidacy.
Politics aside, she's probably the person in the race best equipped to clean up Bush's mess. I even think she'd get along okay with the R's in congress. But the nonstop smear campaign on her is almost 20 years old. Even if she wins, it will be narrowly, and the partisanship will be through the roof. I just don't want that for the next 4-8 years.
She also doesn't bring any new states to the table- the same thing that killed Kerry.
I actually don't think the D's have thought this stuff through and run a huge risk of losing in 08. They should have put their weight behind Mark Warner and Evan Bayh- young, white, protestant, males with clean, moderate records and high approval ratings in formerly red states with plenty of electoral votes up for grabs- that would have been safe and easy. That might have been a landslide.
But that didn't happen- because we're talking about the Democrats and this is an election. Save all rational analysis for after the hypothetical victory, obtainable only if the other candidate says something as dumb as "macacca".
Edwards is a decent enough fellow, but I don't think he has Bill Clinton's triangulation act down- and that is what you need when you're a folksy intellectual Democrat from the South. If you don't have Clinton's ability to make your attackers look silly- you catch hell from all sides- all Republicans and many Northern establishment Democrats who are usually to the left of a Southern D.
Carter went through this and lost more momentum battling Ted Kennedy than he did from the down and out R's of the time. The party wouldn't rally behind him and they lost collectively Carter's blue collar target audience to Reagan.
Now, Edwards is the economic liberal of the three front runners- so you'd assume he wouldn't have problems with establishment D's. But he's a white guy from the South who isn't married to Bill Clinton. So he will have trouble getting support from the old Democratic establishment and he's not as dear to the Daily Kos crowd as Obama. I keep thinking back to how he crumpled next to Dick Cheney while the old bastard stunk up the place with things he was making up on the spot. Edwards had that deer in the headlights Carter look- bad sign.
So, I like Obama. I'm not much for the Kos crowd, but nobody could be dumber than the establishment D's. I'll take my chances with the young people rather than the folks who thought Kerry could magically become likable in 10 months.
Still, the D's have done what they always do- go for a big noble victory without any consideration of the many small battles along the way. They STILL forget the lessons of 04.
That being said, they pulled off that kind of dynamic victory with Kennedy and Obama reminds me a lot of Kennedy. He's young, he's hip, he's brilliant and he's non polarizing. He's got a good looking family, doesn't come across as sneaky and keeps his speeches vague and inspirational.
Additionally, if he won, the R's would have to totally rework the smear campaign stuff that has worked since Nixon. Obama would likely be evaluated solely on things he actually did or didn't do- and we'd see politics go back to a matter of record, at least for a little while.
Why? Because the GOP desperately wants to change their image as a safe harbor for bigots. They thought they'd pull this off with the Mexicans, but killed it over immigration last year. The way national racial demographics are changing, the 40 year old Southern Strategy is about to go out the window.
The R's couldn't successfully run their propaganda machine on the first black President any more than they could on Oprah or Michael Jordan. They'd be stuck with the issues, and they have seldom won a victory in an issues campaign. Bob Dole and the first Bush will tell you- if you want to beat a Democrat, don't get into an argument over logic or justice. With Hilary or Edwards, they don't have that problem. With Obama- I haven't seen them attack him effectively yet. That might hold if he were the nominee.
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Bob Dole and the first Bush will tell you- if you want to beat a Democrat, don't get into an argument over logic or justice. Ahem, I don't think so. What they will tell you is look good for the camera or it will kill your campaign.
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