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Posted:  29 Sep 2008 23:50
From my cold dead hands declared Heston!

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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  29 Sep 2008 23:56
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From my cold dead hands declared Heston!

Considering he's passed on, that's actually an opening waiting for a punchline.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 00:13
Only for someone with no respect for the dearly departed. See that's one difference between libs and conservatives. We partition certain areas into that which should be respected. A liberal has no reverence for anything. In fact everything is a joke except for anything that is actually funny.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 00:20
Party line nonsense again. Save the BS about libs and cons please. I can understand you wanting to avoid talking about the candidates and the debates, but do you really have to keep resorting to this? That's why the sudden barage of clips from John Wayne today right? To avoid things that actually matter?

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We partition certain areas into that which should be respected.

and try to enforce them on the unwilling and berate anyone who doesn't fall right into line with you.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 03:35   Last Edited By: Steve Rogers
I loved that video. Charlton Heston's my hero. I never should have gotten rid of my Heston avatar--that clip made me change it back to the way it was--Besides, I don't think anyone here knows who that other guy is anyway; he wasn't the icon that Heston was.

I've always admired Heston. As I've said before, he is the reflection of my beliefs politically, religiously and morally. Someone on the internet said that after he died, 25% of the GOP population in California died too, and I don't doubt it.

Here's one of his quotes that i always liked:

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“If you need a ceiling painted, a chariot race run, a city besieged, an ape waxed, or the Red Sea parted, you think of me.” 

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"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
- Ronald Reagan
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 10:42
So now we have no respect for the dead do we Tim? As if making a joke about Charlton Heston is disrespectful. He was disrespectful when he went to towns that had just suffered through incidents of gun violence and had his NRA rallies even after the victims families had asked him not to. There's some respect for the dead. Tsk, tsk, tsk. The usual hypocrisy from you people.
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 16:30
spockman how did you become so liberally minded? Some type of brainwashing experiment perhaps?
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 17:06
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Some type of brainwashing experiment perhaps?

The same could be asked of many for their religious beliefs or political views, right?
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 19:46
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He was disrespectful when he went to towns that had just suffered through incidents of gun violence and had his NRA rallies even after the victims families had asked him not to. There's some respect for the dead.


I don't know if what you are saying is true or not, but if those people murdered had guns for their defense, maybe they wouldn't have been killed. Heston was trying to promote guns to stand up against crime.

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The same could be asked of many for their religious beliefs or political views,


Its a combination of sense and morality that give us conservatives our religious beliefs and political views.
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"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
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Posted:  30 Sep 2008 19:58
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The same could be asked of many for their religious beliefs or political views, right?
I know what I believe makes more sense than anything that came from a drug culture of the 1960's.

The only good thing that came out of the hippy days was the Monkees and that's because they were funny to watch and could sing. I wouldn't elect a Monkee member to president.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 20:09
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how did you become so liberally minded? Some type of brainwashing experiment
Yes. I was brainwashed into believing in tolerance, unity and diversity.
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 20:11
I gotta say though, you Conservative types sure put the 'tolerance' aspect to the test.
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 20:14
You guys are tolerant of anything and everything except for Christianity or conservatism in general, basically you have no tolerance for anyone that disagrees with you.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 21:01
I have no intolerance of Christianity or conservatism and this:
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basically you have no tolerance for anyone that disagrees with you.

seems to describe you a little better than myself, if you really want to make it a contest. Let's see what we have between you and Steve, Tim-I'll try and back up what I'm saying.

Tim:
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A liberal has no reverence for anything.

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everything is a joke except for anything that is actually funny.

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liberally minded? Some type of brainwashing experiment perhaps?

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what I believe makes more sense than anything that came from a drug culture

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The only good thing that came out of the hippy days

What are you tolerant of exactly?

Steve, from you:
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Its a combination of sense and morality that give us conservatives our religious beliefs and political views.

The rest of us are senseless or morally devoid? Also, are you saying your religious beliefs equal your political views?
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 21:28
Basically my view of good tolerance is for no laws to be established that by force cause others to have to take up a certain opinion. I have no problem with disagreements. Seems to me though from the level of anger that libs wouldn't stop at just friendly disagreement. After all you all would love to take away all our guns. And why would you want to do that unless you plan on forcing your own establishment upon us in the form of a socialistic and Godless communism.

Commercial break for money making purposes.
                                     


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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 21:55
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Basically my view of good tolerance is for no laws to be established that by force cause others to have to take up a certain opinion.

The question was not about what government should be tolerant of.

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from the level of anger

You have to keep painting liberals as angry to have an argument?

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you all would love to take away all our guns.

You have to keep making stuff up to have an argument?

After making up the premises of your argument, you then slap down a blow-up conclusion of:
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forcing your own establishment upon us in the form of a socialistic and Godless communism.



After all that nonsense, then we get a commercial break. Pitiful.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 21:59
Don't push me or I'll stick in more commercials. Times are tough.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  30 Sep 2008 22:58
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The rest of us are senseless or morally devoid?


Some of you are senseless and morally devoid--but no offense to you of course. For example, partial birth abortion. It would take a morally devoid person to agree with such an evil act. And as for sense: I am referring to economic issues.

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Also, are you saying your religious beliefs equal your political views?


No, I separated the two words with an "and". I did not say they are the same thing.
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Posted:  01 Oct 2008 07:40
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you would love to take away our guns
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you guys are tolerant of anything and everything except christianity and conservatism
So how come when Obama says you people cling to your guns and your religion, you get mad? You just admitted as much.
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forcing your own establishment upon us in the form of a socialistic and Godless communism
Where do you get this shit? It's hysterical. And the very fact that you say that shows that YOU are the one with the agenda to force YOUR establishment on everybody not like you. If your planning something against someone, you will eventually start to think they are doing the same.
Posted:  01 Oct 2008 08:33
Posted:  01 Oct 2008 16:28
And if you listen to this guy and agree, you are definitely an idiot.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  01 Oct 2008 21:12
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And if you listen to this guy and agree, you are definitely an idiot.

No more than anyone who agrees with Rush or O'Reilly.

Where's your tolerance?
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  01 Oct 2008 21:37
I'm tolerant I'm just not happy about it.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  01 Oct 2008 21:46
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you are definitely an idiot.


That's not tolerance of anything.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  01 Oct 2008 21:51
Hey I never suggested we wipe out idiots from the face of the earth or something. I just point them out when I see them, and I'm not hateful about it in the slightest. Tounge in cheek tounge in cheek
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  01 Oct 2008 22:04
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Tounge in cheek tounge in cheek

Your spellchecker worked in the other post to invalidate an entire project, what happened here?
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I think you need to start listing what you think the definitions of some words are Tim. You're starting to worry me.

You can start that with the terms tolerance, liberal, socialism and communist. We'll see how it goes from there.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  02 Oct 2008 05:04
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You can start with the terms tolerance, liberal, socialism and communist
No shit. The people on this forum throw those words around ALL the time even when it doesn't apply. And it usually doesn't. Everything with you guys is commie this or socialist that. Everyone's a hippy. Read a fucking book already.
Posted:  02 Oct 2008 05:08
Besides the bible. I'm talking non fiction.
Posted:  02 Oct 2008 12:12
You don't have to eliminate the Bible, just include others with It.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  02 Oct 2008 17:01
Oh you mean stuff like you all read, COMMUNIST MANIFESTO for example.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.