I'll save you time liberals here's the liberal view of Obama and his relationship to the liberal extremist leader.
Obama-Ayers Controversy
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Bill Ayers and Barack Obama at one time lived in the same neighborhood in the city of Chicago, and both had worked on education reform in the state of Illinois. The two met "at a luncheon meeting about school reform."[41] Obama was named to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Project Board of Directors to oversee the distribution of grants in Chicago. Later in 1995, Ayers hosted "a coffee" for "Mr. Obama's first run for office."[42] The two served on the board of a community anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 2000 and 2002, during which time the board met twelve times.[42] In April 2001, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate.[41] Since 2002, there has been little linking Obama and Ayers.[42] The senator said in September 2008 that he hadn't "seen him in a year-and-a-half."[43] In February 2008, Obama spokesman Bill Burton released a statement from the senator about the relationship between the two: "Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."[41] CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the non-profit projects in which the two men were involved.[44] Internal reviews by The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time magazine, The Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic "have said that their reporting doesn't support the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship"
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1. First question how does a guy get respect and become a professor after bombing and admitting to it no less?
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Quote: Obama is certainly friendly to Bill Ayers.
If Obama sought this terrorist's endorsement then that's enough to suggest he agrees with this nut's philosophy. Obviously Obama is at least a radical leftist.
Obama thinks America needs work, just what does he want to fix in his opinion. We can't tell because liberals these days are too smart to let people know what they really believe when trying to get elected. __________________
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Quote: Both Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, hosted a meet-and-greet for Obama at their home in 1995,[2] where Alice Palmer introduced Obama as her chosen successor in the Illinois State Senate.[3] However, investigations by journalists concluded that Obama does not have a close relationship with Ayers.
What the heck was he doing going to this nut's house in the first place if he doesn't approve of his terrorism. It's ridiculous that this Ayers guy is running around free much less that he's got respect from someone running for President. __________________
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John McCain's ad on Obama's terrorist ally.
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In response to your video I heard from the left wing news CNN that they were already complaining that McCain was too angry and attacking too much. This surely would be bad politics and the American people would frown. So I suppose if the liberal news media is right then it would be a bad thing to come across as too attacking on a debate forum. I would at least think that it played some small role in his decision. McCain has been very careful not to be seen as an overly aggressive campaigner or partisan up to this point. I think he's just now starting to come out swinging. Personally, considering what's at stake I want it all on the table right in the middle of a debate.
Another ad on the Obama liberal bomber connection. This one is from group not directly affiliated with the McCain campaign.
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Canada once burned the White House to the ground, did we become their enemies?
Also, feel free to do the math and let me know how old Obama was when those activities took place.
For bonus points, how many old associates of McCain's do you think he might not be so proud of either?
Once you're done with all that, explain how any of this smear campaign makes McCain a better leader in light of all the other negative facets we keep discovering.
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McCain IS angry and is doing a pretty poor job of hiding it. Consider how he can't look his opponent in the eye during these debates. Consider how many times he's run attack ads and never addresses any point from any of the more venomous ones in a live debate(and he's had two opportunities now)-he's afraid of the responses.
Your candidate has not nearly enough of an actual platform to run on apparently(or else that would be the focus instead of the association game). He's desperate and this is really shaping up to be the fifth major crash of his career. __________________
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Look what I found waiting for me over on YT.
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First the nervous laugh and then.....it didn't come up....right. __________________
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Tim, how can you fall for this stuff time and time again? To tell you the truth, I'm surprised it took you so long to bring it up as I heard mention of it a couple of months ago. I knew it was garbage back then. I thought, stupidly enough, that you didn't address it because you knew it was crap. Apparently, it just hadn't come to your attention yet.
Quote: Canada once burned the White House to the ground
Instead of 'drill baby drill' it'll be 'burn baby burn.' Well, maybe not, but a guy can dream can't he?
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I can't tell whether to direct my response to an attack on the White House or the threat of disco returning. Please don't do either. __________________
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Just in case there are any CIA or FBI guys checking out this board, I was joking about that last one. Please don't take me to Guantanamo. I'll be good.
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Quote: I'll be good.
You better. We have many of your entertainers.
Back to topic, here's an Obama response for you Tim.
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Uh how exactly is it not relevant? Seriously getting hard to argue with someone that thinks Obama can't do no wrong.
Obama is a liberal. Obama loves wacko liberals. Obama's record is liberal. Someone that blows up buildings is not the kind of guy I'd want to hang out with.
You'd vote for Hitler if he came on the Democratic ticket.
I'm not putting this stuff out for you by the way. I know you wouldn't change your mind if Obama jumped up and said death to all Americans.
So let's look at the man's record. I want people that may be looking to vote for Obama because of economy but lean conservative on the issues to realize what they are getting.
planned parenthood gives him a 100 % rating.
he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court.
he voted against the infanticide bill.
he voted No on banning partial birth abortion.
he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue.
Now tell it like it is not what you want moderates to hear, pak. You aren't ashamed of your liberal views so post what Obama's views are. Ever since Reagan, liberals desperately try to hide their liberal credentials. __________________
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Quote: Also, feel free to do the math and let me know how old Obama was when those activities took place.
How is that relevant? No one is claiming that Obama helped him, the charge is that Obama's past is littered with associates with radical anti-American sentiments. Not all of them are bomb-throwing murderers like Bill Ayers, but how many America haters and political fixers does Mr. Obama have to know before it becomes a legitimate issue?
As an aside, one of the many reasons I don't aspire to political office is that I have a long list of 'radical' associations , and I would expect to be called on it. __________________
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Here's a great piece, Mr. Ayers being interviewed by a bunch of Commies __________________
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Quote: Now tell it like it is not what you want moderates to hear, pak. You aren't ashamed of your liberal views so post what Obama's views are. Ever since Reagan, liberals desperately try to hide their liberal credentials.
Could you ask that in the form of a question please, if you want some sort of actual answer, Tim?
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Quote: the charge is that Obama's past is littered with associates with radical anti-American sentiments.
Great. Prove the association and effects thereof and what exactly Obama is guilty of.
Nice to see you back, by the way, preach. __________________
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Obama chaired Chicago Annenberg Challenge created by Ayers via a grant. How does a maniac like Ayers get a grant? I don't get it. Point being Obama was hired by Ayers.
They go on to work together on the Woods fund and work on fighting legislation together.
Obama then goes on to pay large sums of money to political allies through the organizations he and Ayers created.
Rev Wright and others get fund money this way and in exchange deliver tons of votes.
Even CNN reported much deeper connections to Ayers than Obama admits. This CNN video backs up the above video.
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Quote: We find McCain's accusation that Obama "lied" to be groundless. It is true that recently released records show half a dozen or so more meetings between the two men than were previously known, but Obama never denied working with Ayers.
Other claims are seriously misleading. The education project described in the Web ad, far from being "radical," had the support of the Republican governor and was run by a board that included prominent local leaders, including one Republican who has donated $1,500 to McCain's campaign this year. The project is described by Education Week as reflecting "mainstream thinking" about school reform.
Despite the newly released records, there's still no evidence of a deep or strong "friendship" with Ayers, a former radical anti-war protester whose actions in the 1960s and '70s Obama has called "detestable" and "despicable."
Even the description of Ayers as a "terrorist" is a matter of interpretation. Setting off bombs can fairly be described as terrorism even when they are intended to cause only property damage, which is what Ayers has admitted doing in his youth. But for nearly three decades since, Ayers has lived the relatively quiet life of an educator. It would be correct to call him a "former terrorist," and an "unapologetic" one at that. But if McCain means the word "terrorist" to invoke images of 9/11, he's being misleading; Ayers is no Osama bin Laden now, and never was.
Quote: ABC News' George Stephanopoulos, April 16: An early organizing meeting for your state senate campaign was held at his house, and your campaign has said you are friendly. Can you explain that relationship for the voters, and explain to Democrats why it won't be a problem?
Obama: George, but this is an example of what I'm talking about.
This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George.
Quote: Obama addressed Palin's claim on Oct. 8, when questioned by ABC News' Charlie Gibson:
Obama, Oct. 8: This is a guy who engaged in some despicable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old. By the time I met him, 10 or 15 years ago, he was a college professor of education at the University of Illinois. ... And the notion that somehow he has been involved in my campaign, that he is an adviser of mine, that ... I've 'palled around with a terrorist', all these statements are made simply to try to score cheap political points.
There's also a timeline on Bill Ayers and his activities, as well as some of his associates, if you're interested. __________________
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Once again, what relevance is Obama's age when Ayers was in his murdering heyday? No one is claiming that Obama helped him, it's just weird that he has so many 'acquaintances' like this (by like this I mean far-leftists with anti-American anarchist pasts and crooked political fixers from the Chicago machine)
I have got some lowlifes in my past, mostly relatives, but I wouldn't serve on any kind of board with someone who bombed women and children. Once I found out about it, I would disassociate myself from them , especially if I was thinking about a career in politics. Do I think Obama is a terrorist? No. Does he have at least one friend who is? Apparently. __________________
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Quote: what relevance is Obama's age when Ayers was in his murdering heyday?
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Quote: there's still no evidence of a deep or strong "friendship" with Ayers,
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Quote: the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense,
Basicly, they're not pals to begin with, the sensationalist connection between them has to be described as hype, and is just a cheap tactic from the McCain camp. I wonder what they'd uncover going through McCain's rolodex if the Obama camp ran out of issues to discuss as well so they had to resort to strict mudslinging as the crux of their campaign. __________________
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I just thought of a connection. Bush could be considered a deserter and McCain gets along so well with him which is a (cue dramatic music)serious slap in the face to patriotic God-fearing red, white and blueblooded Americans everywhere.
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There is no doubt that Obama is a radical leftists. Even CNN admits he has deeper ties to Ayers than he let on. You have the video above as exhibit A.
A bomber is a bomber. Now you are reduced to pointing less people died because of Ayers than Osama bin Laden. That's far fetched. When is a mad bomber who has never repented for his acts ever a nice peaceful guy who lives on the block.
It's outrageous he's been allowed to serve on boards and teach all these years. That just goes to show how far out liberal hippy the area he lives in must be. __________________
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Let me just throw out a scenario here. Let's say that an individual in my professional circles was a German immigrant who was once a member of the Hitler youth, way before I was born. We're not talking about a prison guard at Auschwitz or Dr. Mengel's assistant here, just a member of Hitler Youth 60 years ago. But let's say that this guy hinted around on occasion that the Final Solution maybe wasn't such a bad idea after all. In fat, if you really get him going he might even spurt out a statement like "I wish we had done more."
Would it be unreasonable for me to say, at least to myself "You know, Gunter seems like a nice guy, but the whole Hitler Youth thing kind of creeps me out." Wouldn't that be a reasonable response?
In fact, wouldn't it be really strange if when questioned about why I still associate with the guy my answer was something like "That was before I was born."
Wouldn't it be even stranger if, despite my statements that we disagree on the Final Solution and the soundness of the Third Reich, I continue to associate with him. Wouldn't it be weird if I gave him a good laudable quote for a book he wrote? Wouldn't it be strange if we served on boards together and I was even at his house on multiple occasions?
And if I had more than one unexplainable association like that, why wouldn't that be an issue?
Now if I ever decide to run for office and something like this comes up, at least I know what to say. I can say something like "Let's stick to the issues.".
Tell me, Pak. what are some of these vital issues that aren't being discussed? __________________
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Tim:all hype, propaganda and spin. Believe what you want, I can't join you on that ride.
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Quote: You know, Gunter seems like a nice guy, but the whole Hitler Youth thing kind of creeps me out."
60 year old history didn't prevent the latest Pope from getting his position. Prejudice also is not a crime unless he begins broadcasting or publishing it. Your scenario has nothing to do with Ayers really.
The McCain camp blew this Ayers person up out of proportion out of desperation. __________________
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It's legitimate to bring up a politicians connections. He speaks loudly on what kind of policies that candidate will have if elected. It's a good way of looking beyond the candidate's rhetoric. History teaches us politicians aren't always what they seem, so it pays to look very closely at the details of who the politician is and what are their core beliefs. __________________
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Quote: It's legitimate to bring up a politicians connections.
They have to be legitimate connections as well.
If you want to know about their policies, study their policies themselves. __________________
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When it comes to liberals though there are the things they say they are going to do to get elected, and then there are things they actually do once they get elected. Those are based on what they actually believe that they are afraid to run on. __________________
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That describes McCain every bit as much as Obama Tim. __________________
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That's why I suggest we all look at their records. I'm voting for McCain based on his record.
Look at Obama's record and compare to McCain. For people that aren't knee jerk liberals they are going to have a hard time voting for Obama once they see what he's voted for in the past. __________________
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Well, maybe not, but a guy can dream can't he?
