Posted: 23 Oct 2008 05:00 Last Edited By: Steve Rogers
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This is a clip from one of Micael Moore's films, called Bowling for Columbine. Here the dirtbag is trying to bash Heston about the NRA. I respect Heston the way he handles this situation.
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Posted: 23 Oct 2008 15:39
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Only a creep would show up unannounced at someone's house like that pretending to be something they are not. If he wanted an interview he should have come clean with who he was.
And he wonders why guns are needed? If he had went to Clint Eastwood's house like that, he would have gotten shot.
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Posted: 23 Oct 2008 22:41
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Heston handled that in the most respectable way, I think. Instead of just sitting there and arguing with him senselessly, he did right in walking away. And he was able to stand Moore's attacks without even one harsh word. A lot of people wouldn't have done that. __________________
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He was definitely patient a man of real class and intelligence. __________________
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Posted: 25 Oct 2008 02:26 Last Edited By: Steve Rogers
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You know when he died, 25% of the Republican population in Hollywood went away as well.
It seems to me that actors like Charlton Heston who are of real class and intelligence, as you mentioned, don't exist anymore.
Its a great shame we've lost him. __________________
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Posted: 27 Oct 2008 10:56
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I', no fan of MM, but
Quote: Only a creep would show up unannounced at someone's house like that pretending to be something they are not.
Did we watch a different clip? He identified himself by name and made an appointment with Heston himself for the next day.
Quote: Clint Eastwood's house
Clint Eastwood is apparently a self-described Libertarian. Here's a little blurb from your own sources.
You should see both movies. You might learn something. Particularly 'Flags of our Fathers.'
Quote: Moore's attacks
You guys always think everyone's attacking you all the time. I think it's because you guys have a 'gang mentality'. Tribalism. It's a very old and primal human trait. And anytime anyone asks a followup question or does a little fact checking, you guys say you're being attacked. What a bunch of wimps. The "mainstream media" gets attacked everytime they go to a Republican rally. Those are hate fests. And Palin/McCain are making it worse with this bullshit about Obama and terrorists. Your country needs to come together and you guys are preaching devisiveness. O'reilly, Limbaugh, all the evangelists, Palin, McCain, Hannity, etc, etc, etc. Get your heads out of the sand already. You guys feel like your being attacked because you have no answers to give in the face of facts and logic. It's why Bill O'reilly yells at everyone to shut up when he loses an argument. Which is quite often by the way. I've only seen him win the occasional debate/argument when he's up against an equally stupid liberal.
And while I'm at it, what's with all the anti-socialism/communist crap. If the idea is a good one and can benefit the people, you should use it. Like universal healthcare for example. Who gives a shit what ideology it comes from. Your problem is that you guys have spent your whole lives believing one thing and you refuse to let it go even though it's killing you. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Quote: Did we watch a different clip? He identified himself by name and made an appointment with Heston himself for the next day.
I guess not because he pretended to be a member of the NRA or some kind of supporter of gun rights.
Clint Eastwood said on Fox News he wouldn't have stood for Moore bushwacking him the way he did Heston.
You really really should study history. If communism were so good why did Russia have to keep her people behind huge walls with machine guns?
Experience and a little wisdom that comes with years could do you a lot of good.
Study history please. Look at why the Pilgrims came to America in the first place. Freedom is something that we have died for and shed blood for, and you want to give it away because daddy government says it can make it all better. Government is controlled by people, and people with power will always tend to abuse it. That's why we have checks and balances. That's why we should never hand over our own responsibilities to government like our own healthcare. __________________
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Quote: he pretended to be a member of the NRA
No he didn't. He IS a member. He showed Heston his card. Did you not see that? What's wrong with you. Talk about selective hearing. It's a the 2 minute mark.
Quote: Clint Eastwood said...
So what's your point? I wouldn't stand for it either.
Quote: why did Russia have to keep her people behind huge walls with nachine guns
What does that have to do with communism? That's what dumb people say Tim. Pure propoganda.
Quote: Fredom is something we have died for and shed blood for
Really? Did you fight in a war? If not you have no right to say 'we' as is you were a part of it.
Quote: That's why we have checks and balances
Pretty sure republicans want as little regulations as possible.
Quote: never hand over our own responsibilities to gov't. like our own healthcare.
Your current system of healthcare sucks Tim. If you can't even admit that then you're deluding yourself. Wouldn't be the first time.
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Quote: What does that have to do with communism? That's what dumb people say Tim. Pure propoganda
Kid you bother me. Do you think we older people just make this stuff up?
Quote: Really? Did you fight in a war?
We as in America as a whole. Another reason for you to read some history books. Find out exactly what battles America fought and why.
Quote: Pretty sure republicans want as little regulations as possible.
I know I do. Think about this jr. the founders realized that the government is controlled by people, and people with power will abuse it. Make more regulations and you give government more power. There will never be a perfect society. You cannot legislate or regulate it so. For one thing nobody would ever agree on what perfect was.
Quote: Your current system of healthcare sucks Tim. If you can't even admit that then you're deluding yourself. Wouldn't be the first time.
My personal healthcare system consists of regular exercise like weightlifting and cardio. I try to get plenty of sleep. Don't smoke. Eat plenty of low fat protein, and take lots of vitamins.
See it's called taking personal responsibility for my own well being and not waiting for Uncle Sam to come along and take care of me. __________________
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Pardon the interrupt. but....
Quote: We as in America as a whole.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Tim, I apologize for being so condescending. I know that you are as passionate as I am about these issues. I will try to have more patience. I promise to wait at least an hour before I respond to anyones post after I read it so I don't say anything I regret or that is counterproductive. Now, with that being said:
Quote: Do you think we older people just make this stuff up?
I'm not saying that never happened. I'm saying that communism and socialism are political ideologies. They are systems of government. Putting people up against a wall and shooting them was just a method to enforce those ideologies. I'm not positive but I'm willing to bet that Karl Marx never mentioned putting people up against a wall and shooting them in any of his writings.
Quote: The government is controlled by people, and people with power will abuse it.
I've been trying to come up with something to write all night about corporations and how they're ruining the economy and the planet, etc. etc. etc. But it's not really worth my time is it? You're gonna live and die with your beliefs. I'll leave you to it.
Quote: See it's called taking personal responsibility for my own well being and not waiting for Uncle Sam to come along and take care of me.
Tim, I'm not trying to be condescending. Now please listen. I don't think that you understand these issues very well. Please watch the following clip. Watch it a couple of times and listen closely to what the guy is saying. Then go and think about it for a little while. Let it swirl around your head. I think you'll find that there is no way you can seriously say that this is not the best way to do things. At the very least when it comes to healthcare. Particularly for a Christian such as yourself. Your concerns about it are addressed. Just watch the whole thing. It's so completely common sense.
I really like his poster at the 2:18-2:28 mark. Those should be the new Ten Commandments. It read as follows. Tony Benn believes in the need for:
-Full employment
-A big house building program
-A free health service and better care for the disabled
-Life long and equal education for everyone
-Higher pensions and dignity for all retired men and women
-A minimum wage, better benefits and a fairer tax system
-Democratic reform, civil liberties and trade union rights
-Freedom for local authorities to provide essential services
-An end to all forms of discrimination
-World peace, disarmament and development
-The protection of the planet and its wildlife from destruction
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Quote: I'm curious why you told me I shouldn't be able to say anything before about the war, but now it's ok for you.
I don't know what angle you got, but at least I'm rooting for America to win.
Quote: I'm not saying that never happened. I'm saying that communism and socialism are political ideologies. They are systems of government. Putting people up against a wall and shooting them was just a method to enforce those ideologies
It goes back to power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Give the government too much power and you put too much power in the hands of corruptible men.
Never has a communist country thrived. In the 80's Russians couldn't even get their hands on toilet paper for crying out loud. Men need to know their work will benefit them. Men aren't some kind of drone that works in unison with a hive. Our ambitions, desires, and belief we can better ourselves and make a better place for our loved ones is what drives us. Take that way, and put it in the hands of government and you see what happened to so many black families. The more they relied on government for survival the less they could do for themselves. Never give a man a handout. Give a man a job.
You know I think you people think everybody is born rich. Even in the rich families somebody had to kick butt and make the money to start with. It takes work to keep money. A moron could blow a million dollars in a day.
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Quote: I don't know what angle you got, but at least I'm rooting for America to win.
Nice bumper sticker. Does not address what I said one bit but it adorns a Pinto bumper nicely. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Right back at you. __________________
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There are times when you don;t make sense Tim. This is one of those times. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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have a laugh and chill it's Friday __________________
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Posted: 31 Oct 2008 20:57
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Quote: I'm curious why you told me I shouldn't be able to say anything before about the war, but now it's ok for you.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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What exactly did I say you couldn't say about the war? __________________
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Posted: 03 Nov 2008 23:28
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If you're honestly this lost, it won't help to even point it out. If you're just playing dumb, I should be used to it by now. Disappointing either way.
Forget I brought it up and refocus on spock.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Look I'm working on 50 things at the same time here. Cut me some slack jack.
I can't believe you didn't even comment on Obama admitting he wants to run coal plants out of business. __________________
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Quote: you didn't even comment on Obama
Maybe because it's campaign angling again?
Maybe because Obama can't run them out of business in the real world?
Or maybe because we have far greater things to concern ourselves with.
Now I've commented on Obama.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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If he were President he could certainly cause electric bills to sky rocket by putting unnecessary fees on coal plants.
Political angling my foot. Who cares if it's the truth? Isn't the pursuit of truth what we are all about. __________________
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Quote: Who cares if it's the truth?
That sounds like the running theme for the entire McCain campaign.
Quote: putting unnecessary fees on coal plants.
What is an 'unnecessary fee' for a coal plant?
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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He said he was going to bankrupt coal plants. His intent is clear. Power bills would go up, and even you would be affected if he goes through with it.
Imagine not only will individual power bills go up, but even business. Now imagine how much we'd have to pay at the store. The only hope we have is Obama doesn't rush in to anything without a way to fix electric bills.
Communism here we come. __________________
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Great, but I asked this:
Quote: What is an 'unnecessary fee' for a coal plant?
For the bonus point, how will the next president do this all by himself?
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Fuck it.
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Pak why waste your time defending Obama now. Listen to the videos I posted on the subject.
In my opinion any fee based on emissions as Obama has stated he wants to charge is too much based on the fact he admitted he wants to bankrupt them. Based on that I can conclude no fee he wants to charge would therefore be fair. __________________
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I'm not defending him-I'm trying to get at the validity of what you're saying. I'm going to completely put him aside for the moment and get down to the actual topic. Remember, this is about the topic and no particular personalities and no particular industry and no particular type of pollution. Simple question.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
