Is the election about the welfare of the country or creating a test for Obama? Personally, someone the terrorists, Russians, Chinese, etc will want to test is not what I want. I'd rather avoid the tests if possible, thank you very much.
It's not my duty or responsibility or the nation's responsibility to see that Obama gets his place in history. People shouldn't die just for that.
Reagan said, "Peace through strength". We need to elect a President like John McCain that appears strong right on the first day. The terrorists know better than to screw with John McCain. __________________
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Posted: 24 Oct 2008 18:29
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Pak you must have missed this one. Can't believe you don't have an opinion. __________________
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It's taken out of context as far as I can tell. __________________
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How they didn't splice it together. It's what he said, it's not even just one sentence it's like 43 seconds worth.
Can we not assume that the end result will be some enemy of our country testing Obama? __________________
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Quote: Can we not assume that the end result will be some enemy of our country testing Obama?
You can. I don't, but you can.
I picture McCain as a bigger threat to our foreign relations than Obama. I'm pretty sure you disagree with that but that's my opinion on the subject just the same. __________________
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Posted: 24 Oct 2008 20:39
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The question is why. Do you think the terrorists are going to attack what they are afraid of? Because they are going to be a lot more afraid of McCain than they are of Obama. __________________
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They don't fear McCain at all. They see him as an easily excitable gnome which they will use to have an excuse to attack us outright. __________________
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That's about the silliest thing I've ever heard of. McCain isn't sounding like some beatnik from the 1960's after all. He's easily the strongest candidate on defense. __________________
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It's silly but you don't really address what I say to refute it?
I'll be a little more respectful then. I'll ask what you think is 'strength in defense' that we might compare the candidates to it if actually a usable measure. __________________
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It's obvious from a bad guy's point of view, namely the terrorists, you are going to fear the man with the military background that will not back down. Obama's pretty eloquence means squat to the bad guys. McCain knows the military. He knows by experience how to get the job done. Obama knows nothing about the military. In fact the military also thinks McCain is the best choice.
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Being tortured is probably one of the last types of experience you should want for the leader of the nation and doesn't qualify him as anything but a victim.
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You bring up 'strength in defense' which I asked directly about and can't answer about it now. Put away the bumper sticker posturing and just say what you think 'strength in defense' is.
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Quote: In fact the military also thinks McCain is the best choice.
I'd love to hear where you got this from exactly. We both know of Powell's endorsement. We could compare contributuions from veterans and servicepeople, but the answer won't support you. I've seen vets slam him and people who were part of the Bush regime throw him under the bus. Where did you get this from? __________________
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Quote: Being tortured is probably one of the last types of experience you should want for the leader of the nation and doesn't qualify him as anything but a victim.
That's the kind of line that causes us grief pak. I can't understand how you could not see how such a remark would piss people off.
I guess the next you'll be saying is that Davey Crockett was not a real war hero because he died at the Alamo.
Don't base what a hero is on a hollywood picture. Sometimes heroes don't always walk away after blowing away 500 bad guys.
And sure as heck Obama ain't no freakin hero of any kind. __________________
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Quote: I can't understand how you could not see how such a remark would piss people off.
When you believe in nonsense and somebody calls it what it is, you are caused grief? You probably shouldn't own a forum on politics then, much less read or contribute to it. I don't say things as a device. I point out the truth as I see it, the same as anyone else should or would be doing in any other type of forum. McCain is good at crashing planes, not winning wars. Not my problem if you are enamored by him so very much that you are ignoring the truth.
Quote: Don't base what a hero is on a hollywood picture.
That would seem to be an issue for you to contend with actually. I'm already firmly rooted in reality.
Quote: Obama ain't no freakin hero of any kind.
Won't argue that, but we're not voting for best hero or best victim or best warrior or best bio or best hero or least terrorist connections or sanest preacher or any other nonsense. I'm not anyways. You? __________________
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Ok you want to play rough eh. Well at least McCain ain't some fancy talkin sissy who leans toward communism and has a god complex.
I think you'd honestly rather have some sissy boy than somebody with any guts be President.
Obama has had a free ride on the backs of real heroes like McCain. It's men like him that suffer, bleed, and sometimes die that make it possible for smooth talking idiots to have the freedom to spout their communist crap like Obama, and that includes you too pal.
I'm just man enough to admit that I owe the man for his service to our country, and he sure as hell got my vote Pilgrim. __________________
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So if I understand one of your posts, I'm assuming you are voting for Barr. Here I've been attacking you from the assumption you were going to vote for Obama the anointed one.
Well I hope you don't steam me again. I hate getting angry and lettin you have like that. It's not easy being a nice guy like me. __________________
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I still think you should show some respect for McCain's service though. __________________
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I am voting for Barr and I've listed plenty of reasons why. People should not be attacked for whoever they want to vote for-they don't need to justify their vote to anyone really.
I do recognize McCain's service for exactly what it was. You're the one making him up as a Hollywood hero here.
Your portrayal of Obama is unneccesary and rediculous. __________________
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I'm sorry to disagree, but you don't seem to fully realize what McCain and other soldiers sacrifice for our freedom. You ever feel extreme pain before or do without all your modern conveniences? Because maybe if you did you might understand in a very small small way part of what our military has to go through.
And before McCain was captured he was also fighting for our country putting his life on the line. Don't forget that. __________________
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I bet your chest puffed right up writing that.
We're not talking about all soldiers right now, just McCain.
Quote: you might understand in a very small small way part of what our military has to go through.
When, where and how long did you serve for who and what branch that you somehow understand anything about the military better than anyone else?
Quote: Don't forget that.
894 out of a class of 899. If he didn't have two relatives with high ranks he wouldn't have been allowed to wash a plane much less fly one. His crash that got him captured was his third due to incompetance. Let's not forget those either. __________________
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Again there's no excuse to show disrespect to a man's military service. The question remains can you even imagine what he or any other soldier in war time might go through? I think if you put yourself in McCain's place for just a second your attitude would change drastically. __________________
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Quote: Again there's no excuse to show disrespect to a man's military service.
It's not disrespect to be honest.
These are the absolute truth.
Quote: 894 out of a class of 899. If he didn't have two relatives with high ranks he wouldn't have been allowed to wash a plane much less fly one. His crash that got him captured was his third due to incompetance.
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And how many jets did you fly over a war zone? __________________
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